From: "Chapman" <chapman0603-AT-rogers.com>
To: <deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Subject: RE: [D-G] drift line
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:05:03 -0500


Perhaps I'm a silly fahrt psicopr for asking, but could you explain how the
etexts, "Qu'est-ce qu'un dispositif?" and "Foucault, Historien du présent"
help you attain food? I'm mystified about the connection between these works
and your life. Is your struggle more pressing due to your engagement with
French post- structuralism?  Presumably the turns you give others are made
possible by some form of your mutual recognition of a problem Deleuze and
Guattari address. What is it?

Chris Chapman.


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Subject: RE: [D-G] drift line


??????

i understand this wright? one people making polemics, speaking in the place
of others?

Some people live with less than 2 dollars per day, not like you. The price
of a book is very very very high in Brazil, and public or communitary
internet is a optional way to obtain some aprendice, or texts, or new
contacts with people, or learn how to read in english, because dont have
money to pay a course, or to pay a book. Not like you, who have your
beautifull job, drinking whisky and saying "i´m a creator of concepts", in
the high of your...

Judging me??? Making polemics with me??? Great concept creator! Great
creator of new modes of existence! "We are creators of concepts; and i say,
in the high of my position: you´re not! go out!"

Well, i´m yes a learner, without money, agencing with others, turning
others, making other spaces with others, seeking new concepts to fight my
guerrilla, and not your war of polemics. I need this to live, to obtain food
day by day. Not like the judgers/priests who aclaim himselves 'creators of
concepts'




arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm wrote:
Yeah right.
There are a few people who participate, who create and don't respond to
anything else but themselves on this list.
txx

> -----Original Message-----
> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On
> Behalf Of adline vanlindenbergh
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:01 AM
> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [D-G] drift line
>
>
> is there no other insight for adventure than going into asking THIS
> here: this places is devoted to the creation of concepts, feellings, and
> percepts, and the schizoanalysis of philosophy as done, both by deleuze
> guattari foucault, but by the schizoanalysis of social field, the
> injection of social statements, machinique statements into philosophy
> art and science, it's the blossoming of a new civilsation and reactive
> individuals like you should live in unversities and die there, the
> becoming non philosophical of their philosophy is that which l foster
> ways, modes of thoughts, enable us to constrcut a plane of immannence.
> you statements are here part of the social flows mechaniscism allowing
> special hidden pompuousity to babble. you are the objects of
> philosophy's analyisi, not students looking for book as a mask you use
> in your e-mail signifies and "communicates", entertain "internet" modern
> day capitalism. not paradox but truth. join us and create things, stop
> learning (whitehead said in modes of thoughts) performative, both
> foucault and delguat love performative in the language which is freed
> from what he has to say in a social field (universities, bookstores,
> propaganda of iconic deleuze, iconic satre, etc) you stuck, get away
> (please) these lists are for philosophy and creativity, invention of
> politics, and science, up to the difficulty of this cibvilisation, not
> your personal subscription to a paper you have to write for a random
> teacher of orders in the conceptuality. stop reinjecting reactivity to
> the real creative people we only have this place to mix and elaborate
> intelligente di
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:21:17 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm said:
> > Deleuze on Foucault: Critique and Power, recasting the Foucualt/Habermas
> > debate;edited by Michael Kelly, MIT press.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:06 -0300 (ART), "psicopr"
> >
said:
> > > I´m looking for some e-texts writed by Gilles Deleuze:
> > >
> > > "Qu'est-ce qu'un dispositif?", and "Foucault, Historien du présent"
> > >
> > > Can anyone help me, sending by reference or e-mail?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Marcio
> > >
> > >
> > > "Por entre as filas o Atrida corria, dando ordens diversas:
> > > 'Sede homens, caros amigos, e ardor demonstrai combativo!
> > > Possa o respeito recíproco a todos na pugna dar ânimo.
> > > São mais poupados na guerra os que sabem morrer briosamente,
> > > ao passo que os fugitivos nem glória obterão, nem defesa'"
> > > Ilíada, canto V
> > > http://www.geocities.com/bernardorieux
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"Por entre as filas o Atrida corria, dando ordens diversas:
'Sede homens, caros amigos, e ardor demonstrai combativo!
Possa o respeito recíproco a todos na pugna dar ânimo.
São mais poupados na guerra os que sabem morrer briosamente,
ao passo que os fugitivos nem glória obterão, nem defesa'"
Ilíada, canto V
http://www.geocities.com/bernardorieux

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