File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0411, message 19


Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:39:08 -0300 (ART)
Subject: Re: [D-G] drift line
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
Cc: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org


So, you was precipitated in your pre-concept. VERY precipitaded, don´t? Is not a good think pre-judge other people before ask... mainly in a list on creation of concepts.
 
In Brazil, and also Argentina, there are two good lists (like the 'drift line') agencing and arguing about concept as toolbox. Very much things are being created in this lists: 
 
http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/estrangeiro - the brazilian group
 
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/esquizoanalisis/ - the argentina group 
 
I dont think driftline is a space of polemics, mainly idiot polemics, and pre-concepts. tool box concepts, and not pre-concepts. 
 
Como diria Felix Guattari, as disputas regionais são o que nos impedem de lutar contra os verdadeiros problemas...

 

arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm wrote:
Ha ha ha.
I live in India. So don't give me bullshit about poverty. I'm surrounded
by the dialectical aspirations of human existence every single day.
Besides, if you understood what I said below, you'd see that we're not
saying different things. I suppose you have a different opinion about
this list though. 

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:42:24 -0300 (ART), "psicopr"

said:
> ??????
> 
> i understand this wright? one people making polemics, speaking in the
> place of others? 
> 
> Some people live with less than 2 dollars per day, not like you. The
> price of a book is very very very high in Brazil, and public or
> communitary internet is a optional way to obtain some aprendice, or
> texts, or new contacts with people, or learn how to read in english,
> because dont have money to pay a course, or to pay a book. Not like you,
> who have your beautifull job, drinking whisky and saying "i´m a creator
> of concepts", in the high of your...
> 
> Judging me??? Making polemics with me??? Great concept creator! Great
> creator of new modes of existence! "We are creators of concepts; and i
> say, in the high of my position: you´re not! go out!"
> 
> Well, i´m yes a learner, without money, agencing with others, turning
> others, making other spaces with others, seeking new concepts to fight my
> guerrilla, and not your war of polemics. I need this to live, to obtain
> food day by day. Not like the judgers/priests who aclaim himselves
> 'creators of concepts'
> 
> 
> 
> 
> arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm wrote:
> Yeah right.
> There are a few people who participate, who create and don't respond to
> anything else but themselves on this list.
> txx
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
> > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On
> > Behalf Of adline vanlindenbergh
> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:01 AM
> > To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> > Subject: Re: [D-G] drift line
> > 
> > 
> > is there no other insight for adventure than going into asking THIS
> > here: this places is devoted to the creation of concepts, feellings, and
> > percepts, and the schizoanalysis of philosophy as done, both by deleuze
> > guattari foucault, but by the schizoanalysis of social field, the
> > injection of social statements, machinique statements into philosophy
> > art and science, it's the blossoming of a new civilsation and reactive
> > individuals like you should live in unversities and die there, the
> > becoming non philosophical of their philosophy is that which l foster
> > ways, modes of thoughts, enable us to constrcut a plane of immannence.
> > you statements are here part of the social flows mechaniscism allowing
> > special hidden pompuousity to babble. you are the objects of
> > philosophy's analyisi, not students looking for book as a mask you use
> > in your e-mail signifies and "communicates", entertain "internet" modern
> > day capitalism. not paradox but truth. join us and create things, stop
> > learning (whitehead said in modes of thoughts) performative, both
> > foucault and delguat love performative in the language which is freed
> > from what he has to say in a social field (universities, bookstores,
> > propaganda of iconic deleuze, iconic satre, etc) you stuck, get away
> > (please) these lists are for philosophy and creativity, invention of
> > politics, and science, up to the difficulty of this cibvilisation, not
> > your personal subscription to a paper you have to write for a random
> > teacher of orders in the conceptuality. stop reinjecting reactivity to
> > the real creative people we only have this place to mix and elaborate
> > intelligente di
> > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:21:17 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm said:
> > > Deleuze on Foucault: Critique and Power, recasting the Foucualt/Habermas
> > > debate;edited by Michael Kelly, MIT press.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:06 -0300 (ART), "psicopr"
> > > 
> said:
> > > > I´m looking for some e-texts writed by Gilles Deleuze:
> > > >
> > > > "Qu'est-ce qu'un dispositif?", and "Foucault, Historien du présent"
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone help me, sending by reference or e-mail?
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Marcio
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Por entre as filas o Atrida corria, dando ordens diversas:
> > > > 'Sede homens, caros amigos, e ardor demonstrai combativo!
> > > > Possa o respeito recíproco a todos na pugna dar ânimo.
> > > > São mais poupados na guerra os que sabem morrer briosamente,
> > > > ao passo que os fugitivos nem glória obterão, nem defesa'"
> > > > Ilíada, canto V
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/bernardorieux
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador
> > > > agora!
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> > >
> > > arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm
> > >
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> > bisouxnoursfast-AT-fastmail.fm
> > 
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> arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm
> 
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> 
> 
> "Por entre as filas o Atrida corria, dando ordens diversas:
> 'Sede homens, caros amigos, e ardor demonstrai combativo!
> Possa o respeito recíproco a todos na pugna dar ânimo. 
> São mais poupados na guerra os que sabem morrer briosamente,
> ao passo que os fugitivos nem glória obterão, nem defesa'"
> Ilíada, canto V
> http://www.geocities.com/bernardorieux
> 
> ---------------------------------
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> agora!
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"Por entre as filas o Atrida corria, dando ordens diversas:
'Sede homens, caros amigos, e ardor demonstrai combativo!
Possa o respeito recíproco a todos na pugna dar ânimo. 
São mais poupados na guerra os que sabem morrer briosamente,
ao passo que os fugitivos nem glória obterão, nem defesa'"
Ilíada, canto V
http://www.geocities.com/bernardorieux
		
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