File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0411, message 41


Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:05:36 -0200 (Hora oficial do Brasil)
To: <deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please


I did not say that. I said that I had been judged only for asking for a text
 And i said that my question was received with a pre-concept, in a list of
creators of concepts".  And i said in Brazil the price of a book is high,
and i said DG  is important to "agency" about a lot of questions. But more
pre-concepts: "you are not aware of DG". What mean to be or not to be aware
of DG? Will you say the rules to be 'aware'? Who eats what?=0D
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In the message, was writed: "go out", you are only a "academic", "you did
not understand anything". =0D
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But it doesnt matter, its only polemics. =0D
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From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
Date: 11/24/04 17:11:37=0D
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please=0D
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There are certain people who get energy from air, who live in the=0D
mountains.=0D
Well, of course water is necessary for our ocean bodies.  But what's in=0D
the water?=0D
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But I have a D-G friend who is Brazilian and say's "It's my food".=0D
It takes a certain cultural-cultural jump to understand.=0D
The gestures he say's when he say's that, the body language, the eyes,=0D
the way it is said, it only seems clear to me then.  But there are=0D
those unaware of D-G...  They eat something else.=0D
Probably, he means, well, "If I don't get this, I will die".  Like "The=0D
world needs this.  Or we shall perish"=0D
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Sure one can eat and eat forever until a certain point like a "hungry=0D
mungry" with food.  But D-G 'thinking' is a substance too.=0D
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just a little silly input=0D
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On Nov 24, 2004, at 9:15 AM, James Depew wrote:=0D
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> Can we resolve this very political (and personal) question of "how=0D
> reading helps us eat" from a D+G perspective?  I take it that what is=0D
> intended is how can understanding the reality of becoming, etc.,=0D
> provide a means of survival where the previously wasn't one.  Becoming=0D
> a non-eater?  More realistically, without intervention, becoming=0D
> extinct.  How do we reconcile an individual death with a becoming=0D
> determined at the pre-individual level?=0D
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> foris=0D
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> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:50:51 -0600, Keith Appler=0D
> <gkappler-AT-insightbb.com> wrote:=0D
>> You articulate my sense of it very well.  I've only dabbled in=0D
>> Deleuzian=0D
>> theory until very recently.  My background and my wife are=0D
>> dialectically=0D
>> materialist, which makes this form of taoism somewhat hard to swallow,=0D
>> though less so after Bush's success in the election.=0D
>>=0D
>> Keith=0D
>>=0D
>>=0D
>>=0D
>> At 03:07 AM 11/24/2004, you wrote:=0D
>>> for me, intuitively, i understand line of flight as an escape from an=0D
>>> oppression of forces.  it can be creating forces, this line.  for=0D
>>> example, one does not have to actually run away.  like kafka, one can=0D
>>> transform.  not changing clothes or fashions.  but, finding a style.=0D
>>> finding ones affections.=0D
>>>=0D
>>> in the british school model.  well, deleuze particularly, as i know=0D
>>> him, as stayed within this main frame sort of schooling, but he=0D
>>> schizo-analzyed it.  he did not bow to certain authors as gods.  but,=0D
>>> affirmed what was schizo in them.  looked at things differently than=0D
>>> main frame platonic visions and he also found marginals was on the=0D
>>> borders.=0D
>>>=0D
>>> not opposing but wading through, like a tick on a branch.=0D
>>>=0D
>>> so of your three questions maybe the third problem is most accurate.=0D
>>>=0D
>>> i am not that very mature of a thinker but, this is what makes sense=0D
>>> to=0D
>>> me.  i am really illiterate and deleuze is what i am beginning to=0D
>>> know.=0D
>>>  developing a schizo knowledge.=0D
>>>=0D
>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:32 PM, Keith Appler wrote:=0D
>>>=0D
>>>> Greetings:=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>> A line of flight, of course.  Grossberg needs to communicate with=0D
>>>> colleagues in cultural studies, many of whom subscribe to the=0D
>>>> "British=0D
>>>> School" model.  What do you say to such people about a line of=0D
>>>> flight?=0D
>>>>  Do you mean that oppositional politics is a line of flight, even if=0D
>>>> it takes dialectical form, which is not D+G's favorite model of=0D
>>>> historical development?  Or is this only an affair of the=0D
>>>> multitude, a=0D
>>>> statistical mutation toward something unknowable?=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>> Keith=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>> At 06:05 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:=0D
>>>>> line de fuit=0D
>>>>>=0D
>>>>> ?=0D
>>>>>=0D
>>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Keith Appler wrote:=0D
>>>>>=0D
>>>>>> What model do you propose for Deleuzian dissent?  I'm working on=0D
>>>>>> Grossberg's (We Gotta Get Outta This Place).=0D
>>>>>> Keith=0D
>>>>>>=0D
>>>>>>=0D
>>>>>> At 05:10 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:=0D
>>>>>>=0D
>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:47:20 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm=0D
>>>>>>> said:=0D
>>>>>>>> finally some constructive dissent.=0D
>>>>>>> ----------------=0D
>>>>>>> dissent never constructive: dissents sucks----------------=0D
>>>>>>> seee E.Feyderaband PHd Colombia NYC on this issue.lol=0D
>>>>>>> schizopubnksnotdead!!!yeeyee=0D
>>>>>>> -------------=0D
>>>>>>> wooofwof btzzzzzzzzzz-------------blblupblup bisoux tout les=0D
>>>>>>> jojoes=0D
>>>>>>> here=0D
>>>>>>> adline. acertain truth is positivethis list needs positive=0D
>>>>>>> truth, go=0D
>>>>>>> on=0D
>>>>>>> after i cover in the wood.=0D
>>>>>>> -----------=0D
>>>>>>> --=0D
>>>>>>>   adline vanlindenbergh=0D
>>>>>>>   bisouxnoursfast-AT-fastmail.fm=0D
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