File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0411, message 42


Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:21:03 -0800
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org


Marcio,
This is confusing.  If you don't mind, I would like to understand.  I 
will break down what I am reading and ask, ok?
Sylvie -->

You did not say "What"?  What was THAT?
It was not understood you were asking for a "text"?  I think it was 
understood.
Your question for a text was received in many different places in 
different ways...
The other monies are high in Brazil.  Purchasing power is low.  Books 
are expensive.  Library is good, no?
"important to agency'"?  This is confusing to me.  What agency?
One is aware of life.  But also unaware.
Someone told you to "go-out"?  Who said this?
Someone told you "you did not understand anything"?

excuse my questions if they are maddening

On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Marcio wrote:

> I did not say that. I said that I had been judged only for asking for 
> a text
>  And i said that my question was received with a pre-concept, in a 
> list of
> creators of concepts".  And i said in Brazil the price of a book is 
> high,
> and i said DG  is important to "agency" about a lot of questions. But 
> more
> pre-concepts: "you are not aware of DG". What mean to be or not to be 
> aware
> of DG? Will you say the rules to be 'aware'? Who eats what?
>
> In the message, was writed: "go out", you are only a "academic", "you 
> did
> not understand anything".
>
> But it doesnt matter, its only polemics.
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Date: 11/24/04 17:11:37
> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please
>
> There are certain people who get energy from air, who live in the
> mountains.
> Well, of course water is necessary for our ocean bodies.  But what's in
> the water?
>
> But I have a D-G friend who is Brazilian and say's "It's my food".
> It takes a certain cultural-cultural jump to understand.
> The gestures he say's when he say's that, the body language, the eyes,
> the way it is said, it only seems clear to me then.  But there are
> those unaware of D-G...  They eat something else.
> Probably, he means, well, "If I don't get this, I will die".  Like "The
> world needs this.  Or we shall perish"
>
> Sure one can eat and eat forever until a certain point like a "hungry
> mungry" with food.  But D-G 'thinking' is a substance too.
>
> just a little silly input
>
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2004, at 9:15 AM, James Depew wrote:
>
>> Can we resolve this very political (and personal) question of "how
>> reading helps us eat" from a D+G perspective?  I take it that what is
>> intended is how can understanding the reality of becoming, etc.,
>> provide a means of survival where the previously wasn't one.  Becoming
>> a non-eater?  More realistically, without intervention, becoming
>> extinct.  How do we reconcile an individual death with a becoming
>> determined at the pre-individual level?
>>
>> foris
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:50:51 -0600, Keith Appler
>> <gkappler-AT-insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> You articulate my sense of it very well.  I've only dabbled in
>>> Deleuzian
>>> theory until very recently.  My background and my wife are
>>> dialectically
>>> materialist, which makes this form of taoism somewhat hard to 
>>> swallow,
>>> though less so after Bush's success in the election.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 03:07 AM 11/24/2004, you wrote:
>>>> for me, intuitively, i understand line of flight as an escape from 
>>>> an
>>>> oppression of forces.  it can be creating forces, this line.  for
>>>> example, one does not have to actually run away.  like kafka, one 
>>>> can
>>>> transform.  not changing clothes or fashions.  but, finding a style.
>>>> finding ones affections.
>>>>
>>>> in the british school model.  well, deleuze particularly, as i know
>>>> him, as stayed within this main frame sort of schooling, but he
>>>> schizo-analzyed it.  he did not bow to certain authors as gods.  
>>>> but,
>>>> affirmed what was schizo in them.  looked at things differently than
>>>> main frame platonic visions and he also found marginals was on the
>>>> borders.
>>>>
>>>> not opposing but wading through, like a tick on a branch.
>>>>
>>>> so of your three questions maybe the third problem is most accurate.
>>>>
>>>> i am not that very mature of a thinker but, this is what makes sense
>>>> to
>>>> me.  i am really illiterate and deleuze is what i am beginning to
>>>> know.
>>>>  developing a schizo knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:32 PM, Keith Appler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings:
>>>>>
>>>>> A line of flight, of course.  Grossberg needs to communicate with
>>>>> colleagues in cultural studies, many of whom subscribe to the
>>>>> "British
>>>>> School" model.  What do you say to such people about a line of
>>>>> flight?
>>>>>  Do you mean that oppositional politics is a line of flight, even 
>>>>> if
>>>>> it takes dialectical form, which is not D+G's favorite model of
>>>>> historical development?  Or is this only an affair of the
>>>>> multitude, a
>>>>> statistical mutation toward something unknowable?
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 06:05 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:
>>>>>> line de fuit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Keith Appler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What model do you propose for Deleuzian dissent?  I'm working on
>>>>>>> Grossberg's (We Gotta Get Outta This Place).
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 05:10 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:47:20 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm
>>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>>> finally some constructive dissent.
>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>> dissent never constructive: dissents sucks----------------
>>>>>>>> seee E.Feyderaband PHd Colombia NYC on this issue.lol
>>>>>>>> schizopubnksnotdead!!!yeeyee
>>>>>>>> -------------
>>>>>>>> wooofwof btzzzzzzzzzz-------------blblupblup bisoux tout les
>>>>>>>> jojoes
>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>> adline. acertain truth is positivethis list needs positive
>>>>>>>> truth, go
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> after i cover in the wood.
>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>   adline vanlindenbergh
>>>>>>>>   bisouxnoursfast-AT-fastmail.fm
>>>>>>>>
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