Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:59:11 -0200 (Hora oficial do Brasil) From: "Marcio" <psicopr-AT-yahoo.com.br> To: <deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org> Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D Date: 11/20/04 19:42:28=0D To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D Subject: RE: [D-G] drift line=0D =0D ??????=0D =0D i understand this wright? one people making polemics, speaking in the place of others?=0D =0D Some people live with less than 2 dollars per day, not like you. The price of a book is very very very high in Brazil, and public or communitary internet is a optional way to obtain some aprendice, or texts, or new contacts with people, or learn how to read in english, because dont have money to pay a course, or to pay a book. Not like you, who have your beautifull job, drinking whisky and saying "i=B4m a creator of concepts", in the high of your...=0D =0D Judging me??? Making polemics with me??? Great concept creator! Great creator of new modes of existence! "We are creators of concepts; and i say, in the high of my position: you=B4re not! go out!"=0D =0D Well, i=B4m yes a learner, without money, agencing with others, turning others making other spaces with others, seeking new concepts to fight my guerrilla and not your war of polemics. I need this to live, to obtain food day by day. Not like the judgers/priests who aclaim himselves 'creators of concepts =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm wrote:=0D Yeah right.=0D There are a few people who participate, who create and don't respond to=0D anything else but themselves on this list.=0D txx=0D =0D > -----Original Message-----=0D > From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On=0D > Behalf Of adline vanlindenbergh=0D > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:01 AM=0D > To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D > Subject: Re: [D-G] drift line=0D >=0D >=0D > is there no other insight for adventure than going into asking THIS=0D > here: this places is devoted to the creation of concepts, feellings, and=0D > percepts, and the schizoanalysis of philosophy as done, both by deleuze=0D > guattari foucault, but by the schizoanalysis of social field, the=0D > injection of social statements, machinique statements into philosophy=0D > art and science, it's the blossoming of a new civilsation and reactive=0D > individuals like you should live in unversities and die there, the=0D > becoming non philosophical of their philosophy is that which l foster=0D > ways, modes of thoughts, enable us to constrcut a plane of immannence.=0D > you statements are here part of the social flows mechaniscism allowing=0D > special hidden pompuousity to babble. you are the objects of=0D > philosophy's analyisi, not students looking for book as a mask you use=0D > in your e-mail signifies and "communicates", entertain "internet" modern=0D > day capitalism. not paradox but truth. join us and create things, stop=0D > learning (whitehead said in modes of thoughts) performative, both=0D > foucault and delguat love performative in the language which is freed=0D > from what he has to say in a social field (universities, bookstores,=0D > propaganda of iconic deleuze, iconic satre, etc) you stuck, get away=0D > (please) these lists are for philosophy and creativity, invention of=0D > politics, and science, up to the difficulty of this cibvilisation, not=0D > your personal subscription to a paper you have to write for a random=0D > teacher of orders in the conceptuality. stop reinjecting reactivity to=0D > the real creative people we only have this place to mix and elaborate=0D > intelligente di=0D > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:21:17 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm said:=0D > > Deleuze on Foucault: Critique and Power, recasting the Foucualt/Habermas=0D > > debate;edited by Michael Kelly, MIT press.=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:06 -0300 (ART), "psicopr"=0D > >=0D said:=0D > > > I=B4m looking for some e-texts writed by Gilles Deleuze:=0D > > >=0D > > > "Qu'est-ce qu'un dispositif?", and "Foucault, Historien du présent"=0D > > >=0D > > > Can anyone help me, sending by reference or e-mail?=0D > > >=0D > > > regards,=0D > > >=0D > > > Marcio=0D > > >=0D =0D =0D =0D "Por mais que voc=EA tenha percorrido muitos caminhos, ainda na vida haver=E3o muitos caminhos a percorrer" - Santo Agostinho=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D Date: 11/24/04 18:21:14=0D To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please=0D =0D Marcio,=0D This is confusing. If you don't mind, I would like to understand. I=0D will break down what I am reading and ask, ok?=0D Sylvie -->=0D =0D You did not say "What"? What was THAT?=0D It was not understood you were asking for a "text"? I think it was=0D understood.=0D Your question for a text was received in many different places in=0D different ways...=0D The other monies are high in Brazil. Purchasing power is low. Books=0D are expensive. Library is good, no?=0D "important to agency'"? This is confusing to me. What agency?=0D One is aware of life. But also unaware.=0D Someone told you to "go-out"? Who said this?=0D Someone told you "you did not understand anything"?=0D =0D excuse my questions if they are maddening=0D =0D On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Marcio wrote:=0D =0D > I did not say that. I said that I had been judged only for asking for=0D > a text=0D > And i said that my question was received with a pre-concept, in a=0D > list of=0D > creators of concepts". And i said in Brazil the price of a book is=0D > high,=0D > and i said DG is important to "agency" about a lot of questions. But=0D > more=0D > pre-concepts: "you are not aware of DG". What mean to be or not to be=0D > aware=0D > of DG? Will you say the rules to be 'aware'? Who eats what?=0D >=0D > In the message, was writed: "go out", you are only a "academic", "you=0D > did=0D > not understand anything".=0D >=0D > But it doesnt matter, its only polemics.=0D >=0D >=0D > -------Original Message-------=0D >=0D > From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D > Date: 11/24/04 17:11:37=0D > To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D > Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please=0D >=0D > There are certain people who get energy from air, who live in the=0D > mountains.=0D > Well, of course water is necessary for our ocean bodies. But what's in=0D > the water?=0D >=0D > But I have a D-G friend who is Brazilian and say's "It's my food".=0D > It takes a certain cultural-cultural jump to understand.=0D > The gestures he say's when he say's that, the body language, the eyes,=0D > the way it is said, it only seems clear to me then. But there are=0D > those unaware of D-G... They eat something else.=0D > Probably, he means, well, "If I don't get this, I will die". Like "The=0D > world needs this. Or we shall perish"=0D >=0D > Sure one can eat and eat forever until a certain point like a "hungry=0D > mungry" with food. But D-G 'thinking' is a substance too.=0D >=0D > just a little silly input=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D > On Nov 24, 2004, at 9:15 AM, James Depew wrote:=0D >=0D >> Can we resolve this very political (and personal) question of "how=0D >> reading helps us eat" from a D+G perspective? I take it that what is=0D >> intended is how can understanding the reality of becoming, etc.,=0D >> provide a means of survival where the previously wasn't one. Becoming=0D >> a non-eater? More realistically, without intervention, becoming=0D >> extinct. How do we reconcile an individual death with a becoming=0D >> determined at the pre-individual level?=0D >>=0D >> foris=0D >>=0D >>=0D >> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:50:51 -0600, Keith Appler=0D >> <gkappler-AT-insightbb.com> wrote:=0D >>> You articulate my sense of it very well. I've only dabbled in=0D >>> Deleuzian=0D >>> theory until very recently. My background and my wife are=0D >>> dialectically=0D >>> materialist, which makes this form of taoism somewhat hard to=0D >>> swallow,=0D >>> though less so after Bush's success in the election.=0D >>>=0D >>> Keith=0D >>>=0D >>>=0D >>>=0D >>> At 03:07 AM 11/24/2004, you wrote:=0D >>>> for me, intuitively, i understand line of flight as an escape from=0D >>>> an=0D >>>> oppression of forces. it can be creating forces, this line. for=0D >>>> example, one does not have to actually run away. like kafka, one=0D >>>> can=0D >>>> transform. not changing clothes or fashions. but, finding a style.=0D >>>> finding ones affections.=0D >>>>=0D >>>> in the british school model. well, deleuze particularly, as i know=0D >>>> him, as stayed within this main frame sort of schooling, but he=0D >>>> schizo-analzyed it. he did not bow to certain authors as gods.=0D >>>> but,=0D >>>> affirmed what was schizo in them. looked at things differently than=0D >>>> main frame platonic visions and he also found marginals was on the=0D >>>> borders.=0D >>>>=0D >>>> not opposing but wading through, like a tick on a branch.=0D >>>>=0D >>>> so of your three questions maybe the third problem is most accurate.=0D >>>>=0D >>>> i am not that very mature of a thinker but, this is what makes sense=0D >>>> to=0D >>>> me. i am really illiterate and deleuze is what i am beginning to=0D >>>> know.=0D >>>> developing a schizo knowledge.=0D >>>>=0D >>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:32 PM, Keith Appler wrote:=0D >>>>=0D >>>>> Greetings:=0D >>>>>=0D >>>>> A line of flight, of course. Grossberg needs to communicate with=0D >>>>> colleagues in cultural studies, many of whom subscribe to the=0D >>>>> "British=0D >>>>> School" model. What do you say to such people about a line of=0D >>>>> flight?=0D >>>>> Do you mean that oppositional politics is a line of flight, even=0D >>>>> if=0D >>>>> it takes dialectical form, which is not D+G's favorite model of=0D >>>>> historical development? Or is this only an affair of the=0D >>>>> multitude, a=0D >>>>> statistical mutation toward something unknowable?=0D >>>>>=0D >>>>> Keith=0D >>>>>=0D >>>>>=0D >>>>>=0D >>>>> At 06:05 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:=0D >>>>>> line de fuit=0D >>>>>>=0D >>>>>> ?=0D >>>>>>=0D >>>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Keith Appler wrote:=0D >>>>>>=0D >>>>>>> What model do you propose for Deleuzian dissent? I'm working on=0D >>>>>>> Grossberg's (We Gotta Get Outta This Place).=0D >>>>>>> Keith=0D >>>>>>>=0D >>>>>>>=0D >>>>>>> At 05:10 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:=0D >>>>>>>=0D >>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:47:20 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm=0D >>>>>>>> said:=0D >>>>>>>>> finally some constructive dissent.=0D >>>>>>>> ----------------=0D >>>>>>>> dissent never constructive: dissents sucks----------------=0D >>>>>>>> seee E.Feyderaband PHd Colombia NYC on this issue.lol=0D >>>>>>>> schizopubnksnotdead!!!yeeyee=0D >>>>>>>> -------------=0D >>>>>>>> wooofwof btzzzzzzzzzz-------------blblupblup bisoux tout les=0D >>>>>>>> jojoes=0D >>>>>>>> here=0D >>>>>>>> adline. acertain truth is positivethis list needs positive=0D >>>>>>>> truth, go=0D >>>>>>>> on=0D >>>>>>>> after i cover in the wood.=0D >>>>>>>> -----------=0D >>>>>>>> --=0D >>>>>>>> adline vanlindenbergh=0D >>>>>>>> bisouxnoursfast-AT-fastmail.fm=0D >>>>>>>>=0D >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________=0D >>>>>>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D >>>>>>>> Admin interface:=0D >>>>>>>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-=0D >>>>>>>> driftline.org=0D >>>>>>>=0D >>>>>>>=0D >>>>>>> _______________________________________________=0D >>>>>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D >>>>>>> Admin interface:=0D >>>>>>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-=0D >>>>>>> driftline.org=0D >>>>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle=0D >>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle=0D >>>>>> rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com=0D >>>>>>=0D >>>>>> _______________________________________________=0D >>>>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D >>>>>> Admin interface:=0D >>>>>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-=0D >>>>>> driftline.org=0D >>>>>=0D >>>>>=0D >>>>> _______________________________________________=0D >>>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D >>>>> Admin interface:=0D >>>>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-=0D >>>>> driftline.org=0D >>>>>=0D >>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle=0D >>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle=0D >>>> rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com=0D >>>>=0D >>>> _______________________________________________=0D >>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D >>>> Admin interface:=0D >>>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-=0D >>>> driftline.org=0D >>>=0D >>> _______________________________________________=0D >>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D >>> Admin interface:=0D >>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-=0D >>> driftline.org=0D >>>=0D >> _______________________________________________=0D >> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D >> Admin interface:=0D >> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org=0D >>=0D >>=0D > Ms. Sylvie Ruelle=0D > http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle=0D > rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com=0D >=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D > Admin interface:=0D > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D > Admin interface:=0D > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org=0D >=0D >=0D Ms. Sylvie Ruelle=0D http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle=0D rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org=0D Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org
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