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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:59:11 -0200 (Hora oficial do Brasil)
To: <deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please


From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
Date: 11/20/04 19:42:28=0D
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
Subject: RE: [D-G] drift line=0D
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i understand this wright? one people making polemics, speaking in the place
of others?=0D
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Some people live with less than 2 dollars per day, not like you. The price
of a book is very very very high in Brazil, and public or communitary
internet is a optional way to obtain some aprendice, or texts, or new
contacts with people, or learn how to read in english, because dont have
money to pay a course, or to pay a book. Not like you, who have your
beautifull job, drinking whisky and saying "i=B4m a creator of concepts", in
the high of your...=0D
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Judging me??? Making polemics with me??? Great concept creator! Great
creator of new modes of existence! "We are creators of concepts; and i say,
in the high of my position: you=B4re not! go out!"=0D
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Well, i=B4m yes a learner, without money, agencing with others, turning others
 making other spaces with others, seeking new concepts to fight my guerrilla
 and not your war of polemics. I need this to live, to obtain food day by
day. Not like the judgers/priests who aclaim himselves 'creators of concepts
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arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm wrote:=0D
Yeah right.=0D
There are a few people who participate, who create and don't respond to=0D
anything else but themselves on this list.=0D
txx=0D
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> -----Original Message-----=0D
> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On=0D
> Behalf Of adline vanlindenbergh=0D
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:01 AM=0D
> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
> Subject: Re: [D-G] drift line=0D
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> is there no other insight for adventure than going into asking THIS=0D
> here: this places is devoted to the creation of concepts, feellings, and=0D
> percepts, and the schizoanalysis of philosophy as done, both by deleuze=0D
> guattari foucault, but by the schizoanalysis of social field, the=0D
> injection of social statements, machinique statements into philosophy=0D
> art and science, it's the blossoming of a new civilsation and reactive=0D
> individuals like you should live in unversities and die there, the=0D
> becoming non philosophical of their philosophy is that which l foster=0D
> ways, modes of thoughts, enable us to constrcut a plane of immannence.=0D
> you statements are here part of the social flows mechaniscism allowing=0D
> special hidden pompuousity to babble. you are the objects of=0D
> philosophy's analyisi, not students looking for book as a mask you use=0D
> in your e-mail signifies and "communicates", entertain "internet" modern=0D
> day capitalism. not paradox but truth. join us and create things, stop=0D
> learning (whitehead said in modes of thoughts) performative, both=0D
> foucault and delguat love performative in the language which is freed=0D
> from what he has to say in a social field (universities, bookstores,=0D
> propaganda of iconic deleuze, iconic satre, etc) you stuck, get away=0D
> (please) these lists are for philosophy and creativity, invention of=0D
> politics, and science, up to the difficulty of this cibvilisation, not=0D
> your personal subscription to a paper you have to write for a random=0D
> teacher of orders in the conceptuality. stop reinjecting reactivity to=0D
> the real creative people we only have this place to mix and elaborate=0D
> intelligente di=0D
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:21:17 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm said:=0D
> > Deleuze on Foucault: Critique and Power, recasting the Foucualt/Habermas=0D
> > debate;edited by Michael Kelly, MIT press.=0D
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> >=0D
> > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:06 -0300 (ART), "psicopr"=0D
> >=0D
said:=0D
> > > I=B4m looking for some e-texts writed by Gilles Deleuze:=0D
> > >=0D
> > > "Qu'est-ce qu'un dispositif?", and "Foucault, Historien du présent"=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Can anyone help me, sending by reference or e-mail?=0D
> > >=0D
> > > regards,=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Marcio=0D
> > >=0D
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"Por mais que voc=EA tenha percorrido muitos caminhos, ainda na vida haver=E3o
muitos caminhos a percorrer" - Santo Agostinho=0D
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From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
Date: 11/24/04 18:21:14=0D
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please=0D
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Marcio,=0D
This is confusing.  If you don't mind, I would like to understand.  I=0D
will break down what I am reading and ask, ok?=0D
Sylvie -->=0D
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You did not say "What"?  What was THAT?=0D
It was not understood you were asking for a "text"?  I think it was=0D
understood.=0D
Your question for a text was received in many different places in=0D
different ways...=0D
The other monies are high in Brazil.  Purchasing power is low.  Books=0D
are expensive.  Library is good, no?=0D
"important to agency'"?  This is confusing to me.  What agency?=0D
One is aware of life.  But also unaware.=0D
Someone told you to "go-out"?  Who said this?=0D
Someone told you "you did not understand anything"?=0D
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excuse my questions if they are maddening=0D
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On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Marcio wrote:=0D
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> I did not say that. I said that I had been judged only for asking for=0D
> a text=0D
>  And i said that my question was received with a pre-concept, in a=0D
> list of=0D
> creators of concepts".  And i said in Brazil the price of a book is=0D
> high,=0D
> and i said DG  is important to "agency" about a lot of questions. But=0D
> more=0D
> pre-concepts: "you are not aware of DG". What mean to be or not to be=0D
> aware=0D
> of DG? Will you say the rules to be 'aware'? Who eats what?=0D
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> In the message, was writed: "go out", you are only a "academic", "you=0D
> did=0D
> not understand anything".=0D
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> But it doesnt matter, its only polemics.=0D
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> -------Original Message-------=0D
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> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
> Date: 11/24/04 17:11:37=0D
> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org=0D
> Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please=0D
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> There are certain people who get energy from air, who live in the=0D
> mountains.=0D
> Well, of course water is necessary for our ocean bodies.  But what's in=0D
> the water?=0D
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> But I have a D-G friend who is Brazilian and say's "It's my food".=0D
> It takes a certain cultural-cultural jump to understand.=0D
> The gestures he say's when he say's that, the body language, the eyes,=0D
> the way it is said, it only seems clear to me then.  But there are=0D
> those unaware of D-G...  They eat something else.=0D
> Probably, he means, well, "If I don't get this, I will die".  Like "The=0D
> world needs this.  Or we shall perish"=0D
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> Sure one can eat and eat forever until a certain point like a "hungry=0D
> mungry" with food.  But D-G 'thinking' is a substance too.=0D
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> just a little silly input=0D
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> On Nov 24, 2004, at 9:15 AM, James Depew wrote:=0D
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>> Can we resolve this very political (and personal) question of "how=0D
>> reading helps us eat" from a D+G perspective?  I take it that what is=0D
>> intended is how can understanding the reality of becoming, etc.,=0D
>> provide a means of survival where the previously wasn't one.  Becoming=0D
>> a non-eater?  More realistically, without intervention, becoming=0D
>> extinct.  How do we reconcile an individual death with a becoming=0D
>> determined at the pre-individual level?=0D
>>=0D
>> foris=0D
>>=0D
>>=0D
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:50:51 -0600, Keith Appler=0D
>> <gkappler-AT-insightbb.com> wrote:=0D
>>> You articulate my sense of it very well.  I've only dabbled in=0D
>>> Deleuzian=0D
>>> theory until very recently.  My background and my wife are=0D
>>> dialectically=0D
>>> materialist, which makes this form of taoism somewhat hard to=0D
>>> swallow,=0D
>>> though less so after Bush's success in the election.=0D
>>>=0D
>>> Keith=0D
>>>=0D
>>>=0D
>>>=0D
>>> At 03:07 AM 11/24/2004, you wrote:=0D
>>>> for me, intuitively, i understand line of flight as an escape from=0D
>>>> an=0D
>>>> oppression of forces.  it can be creating forces, this line.  for=0D
>>>> example, one does not have to actually run away.  like kafka, one=0D
>>>> can=0D
>>>> transform.  not changing clothes or fashions.  but, finding a style.=0D
>>>> finding ones affections.=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>> in the british school model.  well, deleuze particularly, as i know=0D
>>>> him, as stayed within this main frame sort of schooling, but he=0D
>>>> schizo-analzyed it.  he did not bow to certain authors as gods.=0D
>>>> but,=0D
>>>> affirmed what was schizo in them.  looked at things differently than=0D
>>>> main frame platonic visions and he also found marginals was on the=0D
>>>> borders.=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>> not opposing but wading through, like a tick on a branch.=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>> so of your three questions maybe the third problem is most accurate.=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>> i am not that very mature of a thinker but, this is what makes sense=0D
>>>> to=0D
>>>> me.  i am really illiterate and deleuze is what i am beginning to=0D
>>>> know.=0D
>>>>  developing a schizo knowledge.=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:32 PM, Keith Appler wrote:=0D
>>>>=0D
>>>>> Greetings:=0D
>>>>>=0D
>>>>> A line of flight, of course.  Grossberg needs to communicate with=0D
>>>>> colleagues in cultural studies, many of whom subscribe to the=0D
>>>>> "British=0D
>>>>> School" model.  What do you say to such people about a line of=0D
>>>>> flight?=0D
>>>>>  Do you mean that oppositional politics is a line of flight, even=0D
>>>>> if=0D
>>>>> it takes dialectical form, which is not D+G's favorite model of=0D
>>>>> historical development?  Or is this only an affair of the=0D
>>>>> multitude, a=0D
>>>>> statistical mutation toward something unknowable?=0D
>>>>>=0D
>>>>> Keith=0D
>>>>>=0D
>>>>>=0D
>>>>>=0D
>>>>> At 06:05 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:=0D
>>>>>> line de fuit=0D
>>>>>>=0D
>>>>>> ?=0D
>>>>>>=0D
>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Keith Appler wrote:=0D
>>>>>>=0D
>>>>>>> What model do you propose for Deleuzian dissent?  I'm working on=0D
>>>>>>> Grossberg's (We Gotta Get Outta This Place).=0D
>>>>>>> Keith=0D
>>>>>>>=0D
>>>>>>>=0D
>>>>>>> At 05:10 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:=0D
>>>>>>>=0D
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:47:20 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm=0D
>>>>>>>> said:=0D
>>>>>>>>> finally some constructive dissent.=0D
>>>>>>>> ----------------=0D
>>>>>>>> dissent never constructive: dissents sucks----------------=0D
>>>>>>>> seee E.Feyderaband PHd Colombia NYC on this issue.lol=0D
>>>>>>>> schizopubnksnotdead!!!yeeyee=0D
>>>>>>>> -------------=0D
>>>>>>>> wooofwof btzzzzzzzzzz-------------blblupblup bisoux tout les=0D
>>>>>>>> jojoes=0D
>>>>>>>> here=0D
>>>>>>>> adline. acertain truth is positivethis list needs positive=0D
>>>>>>>> truth, go=0D
>>>>>>>> on=0D
>>>>>>>> after i cover in the wood.=0D
>>>>>>>> -----------=0D
>>>>>>>> --=0D
>>>>>>>>   adline vanlindenbergh=0D
>>>>>>>>   bisouxnoursfast-AT-fastmail.fm=0D
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