File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0411, message 44


Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:20:04 -0800
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org


yeah! in the favella's!
:0)

On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:59 PM, Marcio wrote:

> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Date: 11/20/04 19:42:28
> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Subject: RE: [D-G] drift line
>
> ??????
>
> i understand this wright? one people making polemics, speaking in the =20
> place
> of others?
>
> Some people live with less than 2 dollars per day, not like you. The =20
> price
> of a book is very very very high in Brazil, and public or communitary
> internet is a optional way to obtain some aprendice, or texts, or new
> contacts with people, or learn how to read in english, because dont =20
> have
> money to pay a course, or to pay a book. Not like you, who have your
> beautifull job, drinking whisky and saying "i=B4m a creator of 
> concepts", in
> the high of your...
>
> Judging me??? Making polemics with me??? Great concept creator! Great
> creator of new modes of existence! "We are creators of concepts; and i 
> say,
> in the high of my position: you=B4re not! go out!"
>
> Well, i=B4m yes a learner, without money, agencing with others, turning 
> others
>  making other spaces with others, seeking new concepts to fight my 
> guerrilla
>  and not your war of polemics. I need this to live, to obtain food day 
> by
> day. Not like the judgers/priests who aclaim himselves 'creators of =20
> concepts
>
>
>
>
>
> arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm wrote:
> Yeah right.
> There are a few people who participate, who create and don't respond to
> anything else but themselves on this list.
> txx
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
>> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On
>> Behalf Of adline vanlindenbergh
>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:01 AM
>> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
>> Subject: Re: [D-G] drift line
>>
>>
>> is there no other insight for adventure than going into asking THIS
>> here: this places is devoted to the creation of concepts, feellings, =20
>> and
>> percepts, and the schizoanalysis of philosophy as done, both by 
>> deleuze
>> guattari foucault, but by the schizoanalysis of social field, the
>> injection of social statements, machinique statements into philosophy
>> art and science, it's the blossoming of a new civilsation and reactive
>> individuals like you should live in unversities and die there, the
>> becoming non philosophical of their philosophy is that which l foster
>> ways, modes of thoughts, enable us to constrcut a plane of immannence.
>> you statements are here part of the social flows mechaniscism allowing
>> special hidden pompuousity to babble. you are the objects of
>> philosophy's analyisi, not students looking for book as a mask you use
>> in your e-mail signifies and "communicates", entertain "internet" 
>> modern
>> day capitalism. not paradox but truth. join us and create things, stop
>> learning (whitehead said in modes of thoughts) performative, both
>> foucault and delguat love performative in the language which is freed
>> from what he has to say in a social field (universities, bookstores,
>> propaganda of iconic deleuze, iconic satre, etc) you stuck, get away
>> (please) these lists are for philosophy and creativity, invention of
>> politics, and science, up to the difficulty of this cibvilisation, not
>> your personal subscription to a paper you have to write for a random
>> teacher of orders in the conceptuality. stop reinjecting reactivity to
>> the real creative people we only have this place to mix and elaborate
>> intelligente di
>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:21:17 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm said:
>>> Deleuze on Foucault: Critique and Power, recasting the 
>>> Foucualt/Habermas
>>> debate;edited by Michael Kelly, MIT press.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:06 -0300 (ART), "psicopr"
>>>
> said:
>>>> I=B4m looking for some e-texts writed by Gilles Deleuze:
>>>>
>>>> "Qu'est-ce qu'un dispositif?", and "Foucault, Historien du présent"
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone help me, sending by reference or e-mail?
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Marcio
>>>>
>
>
>
> "Por mais que voc=EA tenha percorrido muitos caminhos, ainda na vida =20
> haver=E3o
> muitos caminhos a percorrer" - Santo Agostinho
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Date: 11/24/04 18:21:14
> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please
>
> Marcio,
> This is confusing.  If you don't mind, I would like to understand.  I
> will break down what I am reading and ask, ok?
> Sylvie -->
>
> You did not say "What"?  What was THAT?
> It was not understood you were asking for a "text"?  I think it was
> understood.
> Your question for a text was received in many different places in
> different ways...
> The other monies are high in Brazil.  Purchasing power is low.  Books
> are expensive.  Library is good, no?
> "important to agency'"?  This is confusing to me.  What agency?
> One is aware of life.  But also unaware.
> Someone told you to "go-out"?  Who said this?
> Someone told you "you did not understand anything"?
>
> excuse my questions if they are maddening
>
> On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Marcio wrote:
>
>> I did not say that. I said that I had been judged only for asking for
>> a text
>>  And i said that my question was received with a pre-concept, in a
>> list of
>> creators of concepts".  And i said in Brazil the price of a book is
>> high,
>> and i said DG  is important to "agency" about a lot of questions. But
>> more
>> pre-concepts: "you are not aware of DG". What mean to be or not to be
>> aware
>> of DG? Will you say the rules to be 'aware'? Who eats what?
>>
>> In the message, was writed: "go out", you are only a "academic", "you
>> did
>> not understand anything".
>>
>> But it doesnt matter, its only polemics.
>>
>>
>> -------Original Message-------
>>
>> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
>> Date: 11/24/04 17:11:37
>> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
>> Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please
>>
>> There are certain people who get energy from air, who live in the
>> mountains.
>> Well, of course water is necessary for our ocean bodies.  But what's =20
>> in
>> the water?
>>
>> But I have a D-G friend who is Brazilian and say's "It's my food".
>> It takes a certain cultural-cultural jump to understand.
>> The gestures he say's when he say's that, the body language, the eyes,
>> the way it is said, it only seems clear to me then.  But there are
>> those unaware of D-G...  They eat something else.
>> Probably, he means, well, "If I don't get this, I will die".  Like =20
>> "The
>> world needs this.  Or we shall perish"
>>
>> Sure one can eat and eat forever until a certain point like a "hungry
>> mungry" with food.  But D-G 'thinking' is a substance too.
>>
>> just a little silly input
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2004, at 9:15 AM, James Depew wrote:
>>
>>> Can we resolve this very political (and personal) question of "how
>>> reading helps us eat" from a D+G perspective?  I take it that what is
>>> intended is how can understanding the reality of becoming, etc.,
>>> provide a means of survival where the previously wasn't one.  
>>> Becoming
>>> a non-eater?  More realistically, without intervention, becoming
>>> extinct.  How do we reconcile an individual death with a becoming
>>> determined at the pre-individual level?
>>>
>>> foris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:50:51 -0600, Keith Appler
>>> <gkappler-AT-insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>> You articulate my sense of it very well.  I've only dabbled in
>>>> Deleuzian
>>>> theory until very recently.  My background and my wife are
>>>> dialectically
>>>> materialist, which makes this form of taoism somewhat hard to
>>>> swallow,
>>>> though less so after Bush's success in the election.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 03:07 AM 11/24/2004, you wrote:
>>>>> for me, intuitively, i understand line of flight as an escape from
>>>>> an
>>>>> oppression of forces.  it can be creating forces, this line.  for
>>>>> example, one does not have to actually run away.  like kafka, one
>>>>> can
>>>>> transform.  not changing clothes or fashions.  but, finding a 
>>>>> style.
>>>>> finding ones affections.
>>>>>
>>>>> in the british school model.  well, deleuze particularly, as i know
>>>>> him, as stayed within this main frame sort of schooling, but he
>>>>> schizo-analzyed it.  he did not bow to certain authors as gods.
>>>>> but,
>>>>> affirmed what was schizo in them.  looked at things differently =20
>>>>> than
>>>>> main frame platonic visions and he also found marginals was on the
>>>>> borders.
>>>>>
>>>>> not opposing but wading through, like a tick on a branch.
>>>>>
>>>>> so of your three questions maybe the third problem is most 
>>>>> accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> i am not that very mature of a thinker but, this is what makes 
>>>>> sense
>>>>> to
>>>>> me.  i am really illiterate and deleuze is what i am beginning to
>>>>> know.
>>>>>  developing a schizo knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:32 PM, Keith Appler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A line of flight, of course.  Grossberg needs to communicate with
>>>>>> colleagues in cultural studies, many of whom subscribe to the
>>>>>> "British
>>>>>> School" model.  What do you say to such people about a line of
>>>>>> flight?
>>>>>>  Do you mean that oppositional politics is a line of flight, even
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> it takes dialectical form, which is not D+G's favorite model of
>>>>>> historical development?  Or is this only an affair of the
>>>>>> multitude, a
>>>>>> statistical mutation toward something unknowable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 06:05 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:
>>>>>>> line de fuit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Keith Appler wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What model do you propose for Deleuzian dissent?  I'm working on
>>>>>>>> Grossberg's (We Gotta Get Outta This Place).
>>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 05:10 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:47:20 -0800, arisensilently-AT-fastmail.fm
>>>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>>>> finally some constructive dissent.
>>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>>> dissent never constructive: dissents sucks----------------
>>>>>>>>> seee E.Feyderaband PHd Colombia NYC on this issue.lol
>>>>>>>>> schizopubnksnotdead!!!yeeyee
>>>>>>>>> -------------
>>>>>>>>> wooofwof btzzzzzzzzzz-------------blblupblup bisoux tout les
>>>>>>>>> jojoes
>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>> adline. acertain truth is positivethis list needs positive
>>>>>>>>> truth, go
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> after i cover in the wood.
>>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>   adline vanlindenbergh
>>>>>>>>>   bisouxnoursfast-AT-fastmail.fm
>>>>>>>>>
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