File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0411, message 48


Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:41:43 +0100
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] Don't explain deleuze please


I too appreciate the flow of your words.  But a couple of questions:
can a philosopher be an artist?(creation of concepts etc.) What do you
mean "unhook from life"?  If life is not the source then what?  There
is a curious paragraph in Mille Plateaux that suggests that the "way"
to the void, the plane, is still in Being and so not the ultimate. 
What way is outside of Being, outside of life?  Life=Being?  And
finally, what is the difference between my thinking desire and desire
thinking me?  That is, from the limitations of my ever striated view
of things, isn't desire a line of death?  What form can desire take,
such that I (self) is taken along with it?  In other words, if desire
can be freedom (Spinoza's conatus), how do we avoid desire for
something - limiting desire?

foris


On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:13:47 -0800, Sylvie Ruelle
<sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net> wrote:
> i like your uses of English
> so poetic
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 24, 2004, at 6:33 PM, adline vanlindenbergh wrote:
> 
> > dg has been published and everybody can read it. copyes are circulating
> > on Niger river, on Amour River.. schizoline wanderrer across
> > continents,
> > have read dg and it did some good to them or NOT. lot's of questions
> > and
> > all time i wrote on dg spoon older list, it was i said the books like
> > what is philo has been published, and if even if the politic in this
> > book is very international, very futuristic, maybe only litterally it's
> > in an elite a becoming elite of ten singular (readers) who LOVE DESIRE
> > from the book. who use the book, and do not want to speak for it, to
> > explain away the written text. but what to act, produce something, to
> > deterritorialise (absoluteively) from it. becoming philosophy is one of
> > the objective set in this book.
> >
> > to me in that sense i had already fully agreed with guattari talking
> > about alternative subjectivity (alt.to for example occidental
> > mainstream
> > subjectivity )Universes Complexities will need ARTS more than
> > Philosophy. no need of philosophy books, read dg for philosophy, read
> > spinoza. the rest is disgusting. all the zyek badiou negri etc : no
> > sense, good but non-sense. we don't need intellectuals, we need
> > philosopher to become artists.
> >
> > dismantling the usa can be a political idea, and surely lot's of people
> > are already thinking about how to ashieve this. but only artist can
> > dismantle the usa, and the rest of the world. it's not only usa which
> > needs to be thought differently, it's the whole planet. only artists
> > have the solitude required for thinking and constructing a new earth.
> > it's a bifurcation from the intelletgentsia of what lies since
> > rennaissance which has to take break from the past. it means terrible
> > suffering, of which hunger is one of the slightest harm. (packs lines
> > turning to line of death, etc)try not be populist if you are honnest
> > about doing "good", or producing active affactios; because this is not
> > thinking to be a stone or a car or a factory: they are thinking objects
> > themselves.. what states man does not crave for this little thing: to
> > be
> > a thinker. what is needed is the virtual to come on the earth, and
> > this,
> > what is the virtual, and how can it become arrive on earth, is the task
> > of the thinker/ARTIST, only. the rest is paranoia, clubs networks,
> > squid
> > life. unhook from life and become a self that exists in the infinite
> > worlds, so you can start to think with desire (feelings). so go to your
> > typewriter and right a model.
> > --
> >   adline vanlindenbergh
> >   bisouxnoursfast-AT-fastmail.fm
> >
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