Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:49:46 +0200
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] aging


Hello,

I refere to the french original from 1980 in a own translation.
Castanenda was very popular at that time, as far as I know he got a
Ph.d. in Ethnology, which leads to a lot of protest.
Especially one Ethnologist, Richard de Mille,  of another University  
claimed in a series of articles, that
there is nothing real experienced in his books that it is unbelievable to  
give hinm a Ph.d for lies - there is a remark in BWO of that.
The systematic place of Castanead seems to be a productive use of drugs  
leading to a BWO.
I didn't understand why d+g in her examples of practices refer to this
a little dangerous and uncertain drug things, while their relation to  
Yoga, with no drugs and pain at all, is mere ambivalent.
There were a lot  of people talking of Castabenda experiences and doing  
nothing than
being a normal drug consumer - as you can imagine sometimes drifting in  
severe addiction.

Dr. Harald Wenk (mathematician)


Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:05:35 -0800 schrieb Sylvie Ruelle  
<sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:

> i am also being led to the BWO... Castaneda writings of Deleuze and the  
> aging of Don Juan in particular.  The four things to conquer,  
> particularly fear.
>
> What version of MP are you refering to?
>
> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Harald Wenk wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> there is a short mentioning of aging in Mille Plateaux page 187:
>> "Find your body sans organs, find out how to fabricate it, that is a  
>> question if life and death, of
>> youth and a g e, of pitty and joy."
>> Of course this is the systematic place, aging as a effect of the body  
>> without organs especially
>> in relation with empty and cancerous ones and of cours with the  
>> organism. I think this is no more
>> than a hint, unfourtunatly like often in this book.
>> Personally there is also a interview with DEleuze, I don't remember  
>> where,  before the writing of "What is Philosophy",
>> where Deleuze announced a work treating natural philosophy as a good  
>> task for his old age.
>> But this has never been written, instead canme "What is philosophy".
>>
>> Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:34:42 -0800 schrieb Sylvie Ruelle  
>> <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:
>>
>>> also being drawn toward Foucault with the subject of aging
>>> http://www.sociology.org/content/vol7.2/03_powell_biggs.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Dascalu Ioana wrote:
>>>
>>>> i'm thinking about a dg text...hm, all that occurs to
>>>> me would be a reference to Aristotle's treatise
>>>> "Rhetorics" (Book 3 if i'm right) which depicts the
>>>> similitudes between youth and the old age; then
>>>> Cicero's "De senectute".  Both philosophers explain
>>>> all the details of this process of growing old.
>>>> Then there would be a movie staring Katherine Hepburn
>>>> and Jane Fonda "On the Golden Pond" which is the story
>>>> of an old-aged couple and of their morosity.
>>>>
>>>> i'll be looking for a dg text also.
>>>>
>>>> rufilas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net> a écrit
>>>> :
>>>>> I am looking for some works of deleuze and guattari
>>>>> that deal
>>>>> specifically with aspects of aging (not dying
>>>>> itself) and growing old.
>>>>> Particularly regarding aspects of neglect and not
>>>>> being able to care
>>>>> for oneself anymore.  Can anyone refer me to a dg
>>>>> text(s) or
>>>>> chapter(s)?
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Sylvie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle
>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
>>>>> rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com
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