File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0501, message 14


Subject: Re: [D-G] aging
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:51:37 -0800
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i agree completely

On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Harald Wenk wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I refere to the french original from 1980 in a own translation.
> Castanenda was very popular at that time, as far as I know he got a
> Ph.d. in Ethnology, which leads to a lot of protest.
> Especially one Ethnologist, Richard de Mille,  of another University =20
> claimed in a series of articles, that
> there is nothing real experienced in his books that it is unbelievable 
> to give hinm a Ph.d for lies - there is a remark in BWO of that.
> The systematic place of Castanead seems to be a productive use of 
> drugs leading to a BWO.
> I didn't understand why d+g in her examples of practices refer to this
> a little dangerous and uncertain drug things, while their relation to =20
> Yoga, with no drugs and pain at all, is mere ambivalent.
> There were a lot  of people talking of Castabenda experiences and 
> doing nothing than
> being a normal drug consumer - as you can imagine sometimes drifting =20
> in severe addiction.
>
> Dr. Harald Wenk (mathematician)
>
>
> Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:05:35 -0800 schrieb Sylvie Ruelle 
> <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:
>
>> i am also being led to the BWO... Castaneda writings of Deleuze and =20
>> the aging of Don Juan in particular.  The four things to conquer, 
>> particularly fear.
>>
>> What version of MP are you refering to?
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Harald Wenk wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> there is a short mentioning of aging in Mille Plateaux page 187:
>>> "Find your body sans organs, find out how to fabricate it, that is a 
>>> question if life and death, of
>>> youth and a g e, of pitty and joy."
>>> Of course this is the systematic place, aging as a effect of the 
>>> body without organs especially
>>> in relation with empty and cancerous ones and of cours with the 
>>> organism. I think this is no more
>>> than a hint, unfourtunatly like often in this book.
>>> Personally there is also a interview with DEleuze, I don't remember =20
>>> where,  before the writing of "What is Philosophy",
>>> where Deleuze announced a work treating natural philosophy as a good 
>>> task for his old age.
>>> But this has never been written, instead canme "What is philosophy".
>>>
>>> Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:34:42 -0800 schrieb Sylvie Ruelle 
>>> <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:
>>>
>>>> also being drawn toward Foucault with the subject of aging
>>>> http://www.sociology.org/content/vol7.2/03_powell_biggs.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Dascalu Ioana wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i'm thinking about a dg text...hm, all that occurs to
>>>>> me would be a reference to Aristotle's treatise
>>>>> "Rhetorics" (Book 3 if i'm right) which depicts the
>>>>> similitudes between youth and the old age; then
>>>>> Cicero's "De senectute".  Both philosophers explain
>>>>> all the details of this process of growing old.
>>>>> Then there would be a movie staring Katherine Hepburn
>>>>> and Jane Fonda "On the Golden Pond" which is the story
>>>>> of an old-aged couple and of their morosity.
>>>>>
>>>>> i'll be looking for a dg text also.
>>>>>
>>>>> rufilas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net> a écrit
>>>>> :
>>>>>> I am looking for some works of deleuze and guattari
>>>>>> that deal
>>>>>> specifically with aspects of aging (not dying
>>>>>> itself) and growing old.
>>>>>> Particularly regarding aspects of neglect and not
>>>>>> being able to care
>>>>>> for oneself anymore.  Can anyone refer me to a dg
>>>>>> text(s) or
>>>>>> chapter(s)?
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Sylvie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle
>>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
>>>>>> rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com
>>>>>>
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