From: "Chapman" <chapman0603-AT-rogers.com>
To: <deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Subject: RE: [D-G] aging
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:57:21 -0500


i realize it's quite off topic sylvie, but how about 'gift of death' by
jacques derrida. it deals with plato's sense of philosophy's positive task,
the care we take in dying, melete ton thanatou,... if i remember
correctly... and collates a reading of kierkegaard and the religions of the
book on this subject.

c

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i agree completely

On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Harald Wenk wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I refere to the french original from 1980 in a own translation.
> Castanenda was very popular at that time, as far as I know he got a
> Ph.d. in Ethnology, which leads to a lot of protest.
> Especially one Ethnologist, Richard de Mille,  of another University
> claimed in a series of articles, that
> there is nothing real experienced in his books that it is unbelievable
> to give hinm a Ph.d for lies - there is a remark in BWO of that.
> The systematic place of Castanead seems to be a productive use of
> drugs leading to a BWO.
> I didn't understand why d+g in her examples of practices refer to this
> a little dangerous and uncertain drug things, while their relation to
> Yoga, with no drugs and pain at all, is mere ambivalent.
> There were a lot  of people talking of Castabenda experiences and
> doing nothing than
> being a normal drug consumer - as you can imagine sometimes drifting
> in severe addiction.
>
> Dr. Harald Wenk (mathematician)
>
>
> Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:05:35 -0800 schrieb Sylvie Ruelle
> <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:
>
>> i am also being led to the BWO... Castaneda writings of Deleuze and
>> the aging of Don Juan in particular.  The four things to conquer,
>> particularly fear.
>>
>> What version of MP are you refering to?
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Harald Wenk wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> there is a short mentioning of aging in Mille Plateaux page 187:
>>> "Find your body sans organs, find out how to fabricate it, that is a
>>> question if life and death, of
>>> youth and a g e, of pitty and joy."
>>> Of course this is the systematic place, aging as a effect of the
>>> body without organs especially
>>> in relation with empty and cancerous ones and of cours with the
>>> organism. I think this is no more
>>> than a hint, unfourtunatly like often in this book.
>>> Personally there is also a interview with DEleuze, I don't remember
>>> where,  before the writing of "What is Philosophy",
>>> where Deleuze announced a work treating natural philosophy as a good
>>> task for his old age.
>>> But this has never been written, instead canme "What is philosophy".
>>>
>>> Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:34:42 -0800 schrieb Sylvie Ruelle
>>> <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:
>>>
>>>> also being drawn toward Foucault with the subject of aging
>>>> http://www.sociology.org/content/vol7.2/03_powell_biggs.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Dascalu Ioana wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i'm thinking about a dg text...hm, all that occurs to
>>>>> me would be a reference to Aristotle's treatise
>>>>> "Rhetorics" (Book 3 if i'm right) which depicts the
>>>>> similitudes between youth and the old age; then
>>>>> Cicero's "De senectute".  Both philosophers explain
>>>>> all the details of this process of growing old.
>>>>> Then there would be a movie staring Katherine Hepburn
>>>>> and Jane Fonda "On the Golden Pond" which is the story
>>>>> of an old-aged couple and of their morosity.
>>>>>
>>>>> i'll be looking for a dg text also.
>>>>>
>>>>> rufilas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net> a écrit
>>>>> :
>>>>>> I am looking for some works of deleuze and guattari
>>>>>> that deal
>>>>>> specifically with aspects of aging (not dying
>>>>>> itself) and growing old.
>>>>>> Particularly regarding aspects of neglect and not
>>>>>> being able to care
>>>>>> for oneself anymore.  Can anyone refer me to a dg
>>>>>> text(s) or
>>>>>> chapter(s)?
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Sylvie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle
>>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
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