Subject: Re: [D-G] aging
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:22:20 -0800
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absolutely one could travel through these works but my interest at the=20
moment is in deleuze's works
why?  well, he has a style of writing that I am trying to get the
particular flow of.  the logic he uses appeals to me.  his vocabulary.
the originary world he emits signs from, northern france, a milieux my=20
family if from.  something i am trying to pick-up in deleuze. 
subconsciously of course.

On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Chapman wrote:

> i realize it's quite off topic sylvie, but how about 'gift of death' by
> jacques derrida. it deals with plato's sense of philosophy's positive=20
> task,
> the care we take in dying, melete ton thanatou,... if i remember
> correctly... and collates a reading of kierkegaard and the religions=20
> of the
> book on this subject.
>
> c
>
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>
> i agree completely
>
> On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Harald Wenk wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I refere to the french original from 1980 in a own translation.
>> Castanenda was very popular at that time, as far as I know he got a
>> Ph.d. in Ethnology, which leads to a lot of protest.
>> Especially one Ethnologist, Richard de Mille,  of another University
>> claimed in a series of articles, that
>> there is nothing real experienced in his books that it is unbelievable
>> to give hinm a Ph.d for lies - there is a remark in BWO of that.
>> The systematic place of Castanead seems to be a productive use of
>> drugs leading to a BWO.
>> I didn't understand why d+g in her examples of practices refer to this
>> a little dangerous and uncertain drug things, while their relation to
>> Yoga, with no drugs and pain at all, is mere ambivalent.
>> There were a lot  of people talking of Castabenda experiences and
>> doing nothing than
>> being a normal drug consumer - as you can imagine sometimes drifting
>> in severe addiction.
>>
>> Dr. Harald Wenk (mathematician)
>>
>>
>> Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:05:35 -0800 schrieb Sylvie Ruelle
>> <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:
>>
>>> i am also being led to the BWO... Castaneda writings of Deleuze and
>>> the aging of Don Juan in particular.  The four things to conquer,
>>> particularly fear.
>>>
>>> What version of MP are you refering to?
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Harald Wenk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> there is a short mentioning of aging in Mille Plateaux page 187:
>>>> "Find your body sans organs, find out how to fabricate it, that is a
>>>> question if life and death, of
>>>> youth and a g e, of pitty and joy."
>>>> Of course this is the systematic place, aging as a effect of the
>>>> body without organs especially
>>>> in relation with empty and cancerous ones and of cours with the
>>>> organism. I think this is no more
>>>> than a hint, unfourtunatly like often in this book.
>>>> Personally there is also a interview with DEleuze, I don't remember
>>>> where,  before the writing of "What is Philosophy",
>>>> where Deleuze announced a work treating natural philosophy as a good
>>>> task for his old age.
>>>> But this has never been written, instead canme "What is philosophy".
>>>>
>>>> Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:34:42 -0800 schrieb Sylvie Ruelle
>>>> <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> also being drawn toward Foucault with the subject of aging
>>>>> http://www.sociology.org/content/vol7.2/03_powell_biggs.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Dascalu Ioana wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i'm thinking about a dg text...hm, all that occurs to
>>>>>> me would be a reference to Aristotle's treatise
>>>>>> "Rhetorics" (Book 3 if i'm right) which depicts the
>>>>>> similitudes between youth and the old age; then
>>>>>> Cicero's "De senectute".  Both philosophers explain
>>>>>> all the details of this process of growing old.
>>>>>> Then there would be a movie staring Katherine Hepburn
>>>>>> and Jane Fonda "On the Golden Pond" which is the story
>>>>>> of an old-aged couple and of their morosity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i'll be looking for a dg text also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rufilas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net> a écrit
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> I am looking for some works of deleuze and guattari
>>>>>>> that deal
>>>>>>> specifically with aspects of aging (not dying
>>>>>>> itself) and growing old.
>>>>>>> Particularly regarding aspects of neglect and not
>>>>>>> being able to care
>>>>>>> for oneself anymore.  Can anyone refer me to a dg
>>>>>>> text(s) or
>>>>>>> chapter(s)?
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Sylvie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle
>>>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
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