File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0501, message 17


Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:01:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [D-G] aging
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Hom.,Odyssey,215-18: you are immortal and I know that
circumspect Penelope, my wife, Penelope cannot compete
with your never aging beauty.


 --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net> a
écrit : 
> i agree completely
> 
> On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Harald Wenk wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I refere to the french original from 1980 in a own
> translation.
> > Castanenda was very popular at that time, as far
> as I know he got a
> > Ph.d. in Ethnology, which leads to a lot of
> protest.
> > Especially one Ethnologist, Richard de Mille,  of
> another University  
> > claimed in a series of articles, that
> > there is nothing real experienced in his books
> that it is unbelievable  
> > to give hinm a Ph.d for lies - there is a remark
> in BWO of that.
> > The systematic place of Castanead seems to be a
> productive use of  
> > drugs leading to a BWO.
> > I didn't understand why d+g in her examples of
> practices refer to this
> > a little dangerous and uncertain drug things,
> while their relation to  
> > Yoga, with no drugs and pain at all, is mere
> ambivalent.
> > There were a lot  of people talking of Castabenda
> experiences and  
> > doing nothing than
> > being a normal drug consumer - as you can imagine
> sometimes drifting  
> > in severe addiction.
> >
> > Dr. Harald Wenk (mathematician)
> >
> >
> > Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:05:35 -0800 schrieb Sylvie
> Ruelle  
> > <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:
> >
> >> i am also being led to the BWO... Castaneda
> writings of Deleuze and  
> >> the aging of Don Juan in particular.  The four
> things to conquer,  
> >> particularly fear.
> >>
> >> What version of MP are you refering to?
> >>
> >> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Harald Wenk wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> there is a short mentioning of aging in Mille
> Plateaux page 187:
> >>> "Find your body sans organs, find out how to
> fabricate it, that is a  
> >>> question if life and death, of
> >>> youth and a g e, of pitty and joy."
> >>> Of course this is the systematic place, aging as
> a effect of the  
> >>> body without organs especially
> >>> in relation with empty and cancerous ones and of
> cours with the  
> >>> organism. I think this is no more
> >>> than a hint, unfourtunatly like often in this
> book.
> >>> Personally there is also a interview with
> DEleuze, I don't remember  
> >>> where,  before the writing of "What is
> Philosophy",
> >>> where Deleuze announced a work treating natural
> philosophy as a good  
> >>> task for his old age.
> >>> But this has never been written, instead canme
> "What is philosophy".
> >>>
> >>> Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:34:42 -0800 schrieb Sylvie
> Ruelle  
> >>> <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>:
> >>>
> >>>> also being drawn toward Foucault with the
> subject of aging
> >>>>
>
http://www.sociology.org/content/vol7.2/03_powell_biggs.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Dascalu Ioana
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> i'm thinking about a dg text...hm, all that
> occurs to
> >>>>> me would be a reference to Aristotle's
> treatise
> >>>>> "Rhetorics" (Book 3 if i'm right) which
> depicts the
> >>>>> similitudes between youth and the old age;
> then
> >>>>> Cicero's "De senectute".  Both philosophers
> explain
> >>>>> all the details of this process of growing
> old.
> >>>>> Then there would be a movie staring Katherine
> Hepburn
> >>>>> and Jane Fonda "On the Golden Pond" which is
> the story
> >>>>> of an old-aged couple and of their morosity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i'll be looking for a dg text also.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> rufilas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>
> a écrit
> >>>>> :
> >>>>>> I am looking for some works of deleuze and
> guattari
> >>>>>> that deal
> >>>>>> specifically with aspects of aging (not dying
> >>>>>> itself) and growing old.
> >>>>>> Particularly regarding aspects of neglect and
> not
> >>>>>> being able to care
> >>>>>> for oneself anymore.  Can anyone refer me to
> a dg
> >>>>>> text(s) or
> >>>>>> chapter(s)?
> >>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>> Sylvie
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle
> >>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
> >>>>>> rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
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