Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:01:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dascalu Ioana <rufilas-AT-yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: [D-G] aging To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org Hom.,Odyssey,215-18: you are immortal and I know that circumspect Penelope, my wife, Penelope cannot compete with your never aging beauty. --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net> a écrit : > i agree completely > > On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Harald Wenk wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I refere to the french original from 1980 in a own > translation. > > Castanenda was very popular at that time, as far > as I know he got a > > Ph.d. in Ethnology, which leads to a lot of > protest. > > Especially one Ethnologist, Richard de Mille, of > another University > > claimed in a series of articles, that > > there is nothing real experienced in his books > that it is unbelievable > > to give hinm a Ph.d for lies - there is a remark > in BWO of that. > > The systematic place of Castanead seems to be a > productive use of > > drugs leading to a BWO. > > I didn't understand why d+g in her examples of > practices refer to this > > a little dangerous and uncertain drug things, > while their relation to > > Yoga, with no drugs and pain at all, is mere > ambivalent. > > There were a lot of people talking of Castabenda > experiences and > > doing nothing than > > being a normal drug consumer - as you can imagine > sometimes drifting > > in severe addiction. > > > > Dr. Harald Wenk (mathematician) > > > > > > Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:05:35 -0800 schrieb Sylvie > Ruelle > > <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>: > > > >> i am also being led to the BWO... Castaneda > writings of Deleuze and > >> the aging of Don Juan in particular. The four > things to conquer, > >> particularly fear. > >> > >> What version of MP are you refering to? > >> > >> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Harald Wenk wrote: > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> there is a short mentioning of aging in Mille > Plateaux page 187: > >>> "Find your body sans organs, find out how to > fabricate it, that is a > >>> question if life and death, of > >>> youth and a g e, of pitty and joy." > >>> Of course this is the systematic place, aging as > a effect of the > >>> body without organs especially > >>> in relation with empty and cancerous ones and of > cours with the > >>> organism. I think this is no more > >>> than a hint, unfourtunatly like often in this > book. > >>> Personally there is also a interview with > DEleuze, I don't remember > >>> where, before the writing of "What is > Philosophy", > >>> where Deleuze announced a work treating natural > philosophy as a good > >>> task for his old age. > >>> But this has never been written, instead canme > "What is philosophy". > >>> > >>> Am Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:34:42 -0800 schrieb Sylvie > Ruelle > >>> <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net>: > >>> > >>>> also being drawn toward Foucault with the > subject of aging > >>>> > http://www.sociology.org/content/vol7.2/03_powell_biggs.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Dascalu Ioana > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> i'm thinking about a dg text...hm, all that > occurs to > >>>>> me would be a reference to Aristotle's > treatise > >>>>> "Rhetorics" (Book 3 if i'm right) which > depicts the > >>>>> similitudes between youth and the old age; > then > >>>>> Cicero's "De senectute". Both philosophers > explain > >>>>> all the details of this process of growing > old. > >>>>> Then there would be a movie staring Katherine > Hepburn > >>>>> and Jane Fonda "On the Golden Pond" which is > the story > >>>>> of an old-aged couple and of their morosity. > >>>>> > >>>>> i'll be looking for a dg text also. > >>>>> > >>>>> rufilas > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net> > a écrit > >>>>> : > >>>>>> I am looking for some works of deleuze and > guattari > >>>>>> that deal > >>>>>> specifically with aspects of aging (not dying > >>>>>> itself) and growing old. > >>>>>> Particularly regarding aspects of neglect and > not > >>>>>> being able to care > >>>>>> for oneself anymore. Can anyone refer me to > a dg > >>>>>> text(s) or > >>>>>> chapter(s)? > >>>>>> Thanks! > >>>>>> Sylvie > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle > >>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle > >>>>>> rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > >>>>>> Admin interface: > >>>>>> > >>>>> > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- > > >>>>> driftline.org > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > __________________________________________________________ > >>>>> Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? > >>>>> magasinage.yahoo.ca > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > >>>>> Admin interface: > >>>>> > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- > > >>>>> driftline.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle > >>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle > >>>> rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > >>>> Admin interface: > >>>> > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- > > >>>> driftline.org > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem > E-Mail-Modul: > >>> http://www.opera.com/m2/ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > >>> Admin interface: > >>> > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- > > >>> driftline.org > >>> > >>> > >> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle > >> rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org
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