From: "Chapman" <chapman0603-AT-rogers.com>
To: <deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:35:05 -0500


Thanks, me jaw-bone wuz a tightenin' agin.

"You cast about too much for outside help..."


C

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It's "Eighth Series of Structure" (Levi-Strauss Paradox - Condition of
a Structure - The Role of Singularities) pages 48 - 51.

On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:12 AM, Chapman wrote:

> Sid,
>
> I'm asking you the identity of 'LoS#8', I think you see it as a good
> place
> to begin to compare and suss out Deleuze ( '....structuralism?' ) in
> conjunction with Lacan?
>
> Chris.
>
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> Behalf Of sid littlefield
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>
>
> Chris,
>
> Since I am writing my dissertation on Deleuze I see no reason not to
> read
> the texts.  Which seminar is Lacan's #8? I will re-read the opening and
> closing of Anti-Oedipus. I look forward to your responses.
>
>
> It might be nice if others join in. No pressure. If you prefer
> sticking to
> silly poetic ramblings, or certain un-silly ones, please do.
>
> sid
>>
>> Sid,
>>
>> I'm certainly up for this reading. Niggling abt. is the idea that
>> Capital
> is
>> the Symbolic. Not a deep insight but a place to begin --
>>
>> I have not read much Lacan, only in literary theory class-- Poe's
> 'Purloined
>> Letter' in conjunction w/ Derrida's reading of his reading.
>>
>> Could we work out a cogible reading list? I'm interested in following
>> Gary
>> Genosko's work on Guattari's semiotic but think we might start with
> reading
>> the first and last chapters of AntiO again. I'm going to anyways.
>>
>> You think Lacan's Seminar #8?
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Behalf Of sid littlefield
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>>
>>
>> To these four we should add the fifth (5) Truth
>>
>> 1) The event
>> 2) Ontology
>> 3) Ontological role/importance of temporality
>> 4) Majoritarian/minoritarian militant/ethico-aesthetic practice
>>
>> I think this would be a very fruitful project. To begin I will
>> suggest a
>> reading: Daniel Smith has a wonderful essay on Deleuze v. Badiou in
>> relationship to mathematics. I know that it was in the Southern
>> Journal of
>> Philosophy and I imagine that it is floating around in other places
>> (Sorry
>> to participate in the "capitalist desire to read texts but...)
>>
>> These are just starting points...
>>
>> (1) It strikes me that one difference in the way that D & B look at
>> the
>> event is in the question of the question of language.  It seems that
> Deleuze
>> places the event at times into a linguistic enterprise. Of course,
>> Badiou
>> would be forced to reject this being the new non-linguistic
>> philosopher.
>>
>> (2) I am in the minority but believe that Deleuze was "to be done with
>> ontology." The insistence that being is univocal seems to be great
>> strike
>> against ontology.  If ontological difference is located in the
>> individual
>> and not the species (if you all me to use the biological concept) then
>> ontology is moved to becoming (mutation). This is the continuation of
>> the
>> Nietzsche project from Twilight. Badiou strikes me as almost equally
>> skeptical of the ontology, not the concept, but being itself.  As with
> most
>> disagreements between Deleuze and Badiou, it comes down to their
>> understanding of multiplicity and difference.
>>
>> (3) Nothing now.
>>
>> (4) There seems to be some aggreement that D & G's politics would be
>> different from Badiou's, hence not militant.  I am not sure if this
>> true.
> I
>> do not see that D&G are not setting up a radical militant politics
> although
>> it does take on a group dynamic that is absent from Badiou.  Although
> Badiou
>> is highly involved with non-party politics, it still seems that
>> processes
>> that bring about the militant have a party look to them. If we think
>> about
>> is continually example Paul I think we see the party lurking in the
>> background, or at least the shadow of party lurking in the
>> background. I
>> think this is what Zizek means when he says that Badiou is afraid to
> ex-cize
>> Stalin.
>>
>> (5) Deleuze was famous for his dis-taste for TRUTH, but Badiou's
>> reworking
>> of the term renders most of Deleuze's objections mute. Perhaps like
>> not
>> wanting to be surround by "scarecrows and suken faces" (Nietzsche
>> "the Gay
>> Science), deleuze's rejection of truth is just a matter of taste.
>>
>> sid
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