To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:00:05 -0800 Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has we seem to be shooting past each other in many directions. Series #8 from Logic of Sense covers the areas of: Levi-Strauss Paradox - Condition of a Structure - The Role of Singularities It is, perhaps, the most Lacanian of the book, which is saying quite a bit. sid ----- Original Message ----- From: Chapman <chapman0603-AT-rogers.com> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:52:20 -0500 > > I'm sorry but I'm having a terrible time in trying to find the location of > this book. The title is "Paradox- Conditions of a Structure"? It's by > Levi-Strauss? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On > Behalf Of Sylvie Ruelle > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:14 AM > To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org > Subject: Re: [D-G] mona has > > > that's "CONDITIONS of a Structure" > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Sylvie Ruelle wrote: > > > It's "Eighth Series of Structure" (Levi-Strauss Paradox - Condition of > > a Structure - The Role of Singularities) pages 48 - 51. > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:12 AM, Chapman wrote: > > > >> Sid, > >> > >> I'm asking you the identity of 'LoS#8', I think you see it as a good > >> place > >> to begin to compare and suss out Deleuze ( '....structuralism?' ) in > >> conjunction with Lacan? > >> > >> Chris. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org > >> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On > >> Behalf Of sid littlefield > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:54 AM > >> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org > >> Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has > >> > >> > >> Chris, > >> > >> Since I am writing my dissertation on Deleuze I see no reason not to > >> read > >> the texts. Which seminar is Lacan's #8? I will re-read the opening > >> and > >> closing of Anti-Oedipus. I look forward to your responses. > >> > >> > >> It might be nice if others join in. No pressure. If you prefer > >> sticking to > >> silly poetic ramblings, or certain un-silly ones, please do. > >> > >> sid > >>> > >>> Sid, > >>> > >>> I'm certainly up for this reading. Niggling abt. is the idea that > >>> Capital > >> is > >>> the Symbolic. Not a deep insight but a place to begin -- > >>> > >>> I have not read much Lacan, only in literary theory class-- Poe's > >> 'Purloined > >>> Letter' in conjunction w/ Derrida's reading of his reading. > >>> > >>> Could we work out a cogible reading list? I'm interested in > >>> following Gary > >>> Genosko's work on Guattari's semiotic but think we might start with > >> reading > >>> the first and last chapters of AntiO again. I'm going to anyways. > >>> > >>> You think Lacan's Seminar #8? > >>> > >>> Chris. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org > >>> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On > >>> Behalf Of sid littlefield > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:24 AM > >>> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org > >>> Subject: Re: [D-G] mona has > >>> > >>> > >>> To these four we should add the fifth (5) Truth > >>> > >>> 1) The event > >>> 2) Ontology > >>> 3) Ontological role/importance of temporality > >>> 4) Majoritarian/minoritarian militant/ethico-aesthetic practice > >>> > >>> I think this would be a very fruitful project. To begin I will > >>> suggest a > >>> reading: Daniel Smith has a wonderful essay on Deleuze v. Badiou in > >>> relationship to mathematics. I know that it was in the Southern > >>> Journal of > >>> Philosophy and I imagine that it is floating around in other places > >>> (Sorry > >>> to participate in the "capitalist desire to read texts but...) > >>> > >>> These are just starting points... > >>> > >>> (1) It strikes me that one difference in the way that D & B look at > >>> the > >>> event is in the question of the question of language. It seems that > >> Deleuze > >>> places the event at times into a linguistic enterprise. Of course, > >>> Badiou > >>> would be forced to reject this being the new non-linguistic > >>> philosopher. > >>> > >>> (2) I am in the minority but believe that Deleuze was "to be done > >>> with > >>> ontology." The insistence that being is univocal seems to be great > >>> strike > >>> against ontology. If ontological difference is located in the > >>> individual > >>> and not the species (if you all me to use the biological concept) > >>> then > >>> ontology is moved to becoming (mutation). This is the continuation > >>> of the > >>> Nietzsche project from Twilight. Badiou strikes me as almost equally > >>> skeptical of the ontology, not the concept, but being itself. As > >>> with > >> most > >>> disagreements between Deleuze and Badiou, it comes down to their > >>> understanding of multiplicity and difference. > >>> > >>> (3) Nothing now. > >>> > >>> (4) There seems to be some aggreement that D & G's politics would be > >>> different from Badiou's, hence not militant. I am not sure if this > >>> true. > >> I > >>> do not see that D&G are not setting up a radical militant politics > >> although > >>> it does take on a group dynamic that is absent from Badiou. Although > >> Badiou > >>> is highly involved with non-party politics, it still seems that > >>> processes > >>> that bring about the militant have a party look to them. If we think > >>> about > >>> is continually example Paul I think we see the party lurking in the > >>> background, or at least the shadow of party lurking in the > >>> background. I > >>> think this is what Zizek means when he says that Badiou is afraid to > >> ex-cize > >>> Stalin. > >>> > >>> (5) Deleuze was famous for his dis-taste for TRUTH, but Badiou's > >>> reworking > >>> of the term renders most of Deleuze's objections mute. Perhaps like > >>> not > >>> wanting to be surround by "scarecrows and suken faces" (Nietzsche > >>> "the Gay > >>> Science), deleuze's rejection of truth is just a matter of taste. > >>> > >>> sid > >>> -- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > >>> > >> http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > >> default.asp > >>> ?SRC=lycos10 > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > >>> Admin interface: > >>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- > >>> driftline.org > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > >>> Admin interface: > >>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- > >>> driftline.org > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > >> http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > >> default.asp > >> ?SRC=lycos10 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > >> Admin interface: > >> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > >> Admin interface: > >> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- > >> driftline.org > >> > >> > > Ms. Sylvie Ruelle > > http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle > > rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > > Admin interface: > > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org > > > > > Ms. Sylvie Ruelle > http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle > rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > Admin interface: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org > > > _______________________________________________ > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > Admin interface: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org
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