File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0501, message 76


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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:00:05 -0800
Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has


we seem to be shooting past each other in many directions.  Series #8 from Logic of Sense covers the areas of: Levi-Strauss Paradox - Condition of
a Structure - The Role of Singularities

It is, perhaps, the most Lacanian of the book, which is saying quite a bit.

sid
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From: Chapman <chapman0603-AT-rogers.com>
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Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:52:20 -0500

>
> I'm sorry but I'm having a terrible time in trying to find the location of
> this book. The title is "Paradox- Conditions of a Structure"? It's by
> Levi-Strauss?
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On
> Behalf Of Sylvie Ruelle
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:14 AM
> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [D-G] mona has
>
>
> that's "CONDITIONS of a Structure"
> On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Sylvie Ruelle wrote:
>
> > It's "Eighth Series of Structure" (Levi-Strauss Paradox - Condition of
> > a Structure - The Role of Singularities) pages 48 - 51.
> >
> > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:12 AM, Chapman wrote:
> >
> >> Sid,
> >>
> >> I'm asking you the identity of 'LoS#8', I think you see it as a good
> >> place
> >> to begin to compare and suss out Deleuze ( '....structuralism?' ) in
> >> conjunction with Lacan?
> >>
> >> Chris.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
> >> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On
> >> Behalf Of sid littlefield
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:54 AM
> >> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> >> Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> Since I am writing my dissertation on Deleuze I see no reason not to
> >> read
> >> the texts.  Which seminar is Lacan's #8? I will re-read the opening
> >> and
> >> closing of Anti-Oedipus. I look forward to your responses.
> >>
> >>
> >> It might be nice if others join in. No pressure. If you prefer
> >> sticking to
> >> silly poetic ramblings, or certain un-silly ones, please do.
> >>
> >> sid
> >>>
> >>> Sid,
> >>>
> >>> I'm certainly up for this reading. Niggling abt. is the idea that
> >>> Capital
> >> is
> >>> the Symbolic. Not a deep insight but a place to begin --
> >>>
> >>> I have not read much Lacan, only in literary theory class-- Poe's
> >> 'Purloined
> >>> Letter' in conjunction w/ Derrida's reading of his reading.
> >>>
> >>> Could we work out a cogible reading list? I'm interested in
> >>> following Gary
> >>> Genosko's work on Guattari's semiotic but think we might start with
> >> reading
> >>> the first and last chapters of AntiO again. I'm going to anyways.
> >>>
> >>> You think Lacan's Seminar #8?
> >>>
> >>> Chris.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
> >>> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On
> >>> Behalf Of sid littlefield
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:24 AM
> >>> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [D-G] mona has
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> To these four we should add the fifth (5) Truth
> >>>
> >>> 1) The event
> >>> 2) Ontology
> >>> 3) Ontological role/importance of temporality
> >>> 4) Majoritarian/minoritarian militant/ethico-aesthetic practice
> >>>
> >>> I think this would be a very fruitful project. To begin I will
> >>> suggest a
> >>> reading: Daniel Smith has a wonderful essay on Deleuze v. Badiou in
> >>> relationship to mathematics. I know that it was in the Southern
> >>> Journal of
> >>> Philosophy and I imagine that it is floating around in other places
> >>> (Sorry
> >>> to participate in the "capitalist desire to read texts but...)
> >>>
> >>> These are just starting points...
> >>>
> >>> (1) It strikes me that one difference in the way that D & B look at
> >>> the
> >>> event is in the question of the question of language.  It seems that
> >> Deleuze
> >>> places the event at times into a linguistic enterprise. Of course,
> >>> Badiou
> >>> would be forced to reject this being the new non-linguistic
> >>> philosopher.
> >>>
> >>> (2) I am in the minority but believe that Deleuze was "to be done
> >>> with
> >>> ontology." The insistence that being is univocal seems to be great
> >>> strike
> >>> against ontology.  If ontological difference is located in the
> >>> individual
> >>> and not the species (if you all me to use the biological concept)
> >>> then
> >>> ontology is moved to becoming (mutation). This is the continuation
> >>> of the
> >>> Nietzsche project from Twilight. Badiou strikes me as almost equally
> >>> skeptical of the ontology, not the concept, but being itself.  As
> >>> with
> >> most
> >>> disagreements between Deleuze and Badiou, it comes down to their
> >>> understanding of multiplicity and difference.
> >>>
> >>> (3) Nothing now.
> >>>
> >>> (4) There seems to be some aggreement that D & G's politics would be
> >>> different from Badiou's, hence not militant.  I am not sure if this
> >>> true.
> >> I
> >>> do not see that D&G are not setting up a radical militant politics
> >> although
> >>> it does take on a group dynamic that is absent from Badiou.  Although
> >> Badiou
> >>> is highly involved with non-party politics, it still seems that
> >>> processes
> >>> that bring about the militant have a party look to them. If we think
> >>> about
> >>> is continually example Paul I think we see the party lurking in the
> >>> background, or at least the shadow of party lurking in the
> >>> background. I
> >>> think this is what Zizek means when he says that Badiou is afraid to
> >> ex-cize
> >>> Stalin.
> >>>
> >>> (5) Deleuze was famous for his dis-taste for TRUTH, but Badiou's
> >>> reworking
> >>> of the term renders most of Deleuze's objections mute. Perhaps like
> >>> not
> >>> wanting to be surround by "scarecrows and suken faces" (Nietzsche
> >>> "the Gay
> >>> Science), deleuze's rejection of truth is just a matter of taste.
> >>>
> >>> sid
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> > Ms. Sylvie Ruelle
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
> > rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com
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