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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:19:56 -0500


Krikey,

Thanks y'all. This is a relatively new addition to the English?

Chris.

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Logic of Sense by Gilles Deleuze

On Jan 20, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Chapman wrote:

> I'm sorry but I'm having a terrible time in trying to find the
> location of
> this book. The title is "Paradox- Conditions of a Structure"? It's by
> Levi-Strauss?
>
> Chris
>
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>
>
> that's "CONDITIONS of a Structure"
> On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Sylvie Ruelle wrote:
>
>> It's "Eighth Series of Structure" (Levi-Strauss Paradox - Condition of
>> a Structure - The Role of Singularities) pages 48 - 51.
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:12 AM, Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> Sid,
>>>
>>> I'm asking you the identity of 'LoS#8', I think you see it as a good
>>> place
>>> to begin to compare and suss out Deleuze ( '....structuralism?' ) in
>>> conjunction with Lacan?
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On
>>> Behalf Of sid littlefield
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:54 AM
>>> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
>>> Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> Since I am writing my dissertation on Deleuze I see no reason not to
>>> read
>>> the texts.  Which seminar is Lacan's #8? I will re-read the opening
>>> and
>>> closing of Anti-Oedipus. I look forward to your responses.
>>>
>>>
>>> It might be nice if others join in. No pressure. If you prefer
>>> sticking to
>>> silly poetic ramblings, or certain un-silly ones, please do.
>>>
>>> sid
>>>>
>>>> Sid,
>>>>
>>>> I'm certainly up for this reading. Niggling abt. is the idea that
>>>> Capital
>>> is
>>>> the Symbolic. Not a deep insight but a place to begin --
>>>>
>>>> I have not read much Lacan, only in literary theory class-- Poe's
>>> 'Purloined
>>>> Letter' in conjunction w/ Derrida's reading of his reading.
>>>>
>>>> Could we work out a cogible reading list? I'm interested in
>>>> following Gary
>>>> Genosko's work on Guattari's semiotic but think we might start with
>>> reading
>>>> the first and last chapters of AntiO again. I'm going to anyways.
>>>>
>>>> You think Lacan's Seminar #8?
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-
>>>> bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On
>>>> Behalf Of sid littlefield
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:24 AM
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>>>> Subject: Re: [D-G] mona has
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To these four we should add the fifth (5) Truth
>>>>
>>>> 1) The event
>>>> 2) Ontology
>>>> 3) Ontological role/importance of temporality
>>>> 4) Majoritarian/minoritarian militant/ethico-aesthetic practice
>>>>
>>>> I think this would be a very fruitful project. To begin I will
>>>> suggest a
>>>> reading: Daniel Smith has a wonderful essay on Deleuze v. Badiou in
>>>> relationship to mathematics. I know that it was in the Southern
>>>> Journal of
>>>> Philosophy and I imagine that it is floating around in other places
>>>> (Sorry
>>>> to participate in the "capitalist desire to read texts but...)
>>>>
>>>> These are just starting points...
>>>>
>>>> (1) It strikes me that one difference in the way that D & B look at
>>>> the
>>>> event is in the question of the question of language.  It seems that
>>> Deleuze
>>>> places the event at times into a linguistic enterprise. Of course,
>>>> Badiou
>>>> would be forced to reject this being the new non-linguistic
>>>> philosopher.
>>>>
>>>> (2) I am in the minority but believe that Deleuze was "to be done
>>>> with
>>>> ontology." The insistence that being is univocal seems to be great
>>>> strike
>>>> against ontology.  If ontological difference is located in the
>>>> individual
>>>> and not the species (if you all me to use the biological concept)
>>>> then
>>>> ontology is moved to becoming (mutation). This is the continuation
>>>> of the
>>>> Nietzsche project from Twilight. Badiou strikes me as almost equally
>>>> skeptical of the ontology, not the concept, but being itself.  As
>>>> with
>>> most
>>>> disagreements between Deleuze and Badiou, it comes down to their
>>>> understanding of multiplicity and difference.
>>>>
>>>> (3) Nothing now.
>>>>
>>>> (4) There seems to be some aggreement that D & G's politics would be
>>>> different from Badiou's, hence not militant.  I am not sure if this
>>>> true.
>>> I
>>>> do not see that D&G are not setting up a radical militant politics
>>> although
>>>> it does take on a group dynamic that is absent from Badiou.
>>>> Although
>>> Badiou
>>>> is highly involved with non-party politics, it still seems that
>>>> processes
>>>> that bring about the militant have a party look to them. If we think
>>>> about
>>>> is continually example Paul I think we see the party lurking in the
>>>> background, or at least the shadow of party lurking in the
>>>> background. I
>>>> think this is what Zizek means when he says that Badiou is afraid to
>>> ex-cize
>>>> Stalin.
>>>>
>>>> (5) Deleuze was famous for his dis-taste for TRUTH, but Badiou's
>>>> reworking
>>>> of the term renders most of Deleuze's objections mute. Perhaps like
>>>> not
>>>> wanting to be surround by "scarecrows and suken faces" (Nietzsche
>>>> "the Gay
>>>> Science), deleuze's rejection of truth is just a matter of taste.
>>>>
>>>> sid
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