From: "Chapman" <chapman0603-AT-rogers.com> To: <deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org> Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:19:56 -0500 Krikey, Thanks y'all. This is a relatively new addition to the English? Chris. -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Sylvie Ruelle Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:11 PM To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] mona has Logic of Sense by Gilles Deleuze On Jan 20, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Chapman wrote: > I'm sorry but I'm having a terrible time in trying to find the > location of > this book. The title is "Paradox- Conditions of a Structure"? It's by > Levi-Strauss? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On > Behalf Of Sylvie Ruelle > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:14 AM > To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org > Subject: Re: [D-G] mona has > > > that's "CONDITIONS of a Structure" > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Sylvie Ruelle wrote: > >> It's "Eighth Series of Structure" (Levi-Strauss Paradox - Condition of >> a Structure - The Role of Singularities) pages 48 - 51. >> >> On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:12 AM, Chapman wrote: >> >>> Sid, >>> >>> I'm asking you the identity of 'LoS#8', I think you see it as a good >>> place >>> to begin to compare and suss out Deleuze ( '....structuralism?' ) in >>> conjunction with Lacan? >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org >>> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On >>> Behalf Of sid littlefield >>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:54 AM >>> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org >>> Subject: RE: [D-G] mona has >>> >>> >>> Chris, >>> >>> Since I am writing my dissertation on Deleuze I see no reason not to >>> read >>> the texts. Which seminar is Lacan's #8? I will re-read the opening >>> and >>> closing of Anti-Oedipus. I look forward to your responses. >>> >>> >>> It might be nice if others join in. No pressure. If you prefer >>> sticking to >>> silly poetic ramblings, or certain un-silly ones, please do. >>> >>> sid >>>> >>>> Sid, >>>> >>>> I'm certainly up for this reading. Niggling abt. is the idea that >>>> Capital >>> is >>>> the Symbolic. Not a deep insight but a place to begin -- >>>> >>>> I have not read much Lacan, only in literary theory class-- Poe's >>> 'Purloined >>>> Letter' in conjunction w/ Derrida's reading of his reading. >>>> >>>> Could we work out a cogible reading list? I'm interested in >>>> following Gary >>>> Genosko's work on Guattari's semiotic but think we might start with >>> reading >>>> the first and last chapters of AntiO again. I'm going to anyways. >>>> >>>> You think Lacan's Seminar #8? >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org >>>> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org- >>>> bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On >>>> Behalf Of sid littlefield >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:24 AM >>>> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org >>>> Subject: Re: [D-G] mona has >>>> >>>> >>>> To these four we should add the fifth (5) Truth >>>> >>>> 1) The event >>>> 2) Ontology >>>> 3) Ontological role/importance of temporality >>>> 4) Majoritarian/minoritarian militant/ethico-aesthetic practice >>>> >>>> I think this would be a very fruitful project. To begin I will >>>> suggest a >>>> reading: Daniel Smith has a wonderful essay on Deleuze v. Badiou in >>>> relationship to mathematics. I know that it was in the Southern >>>> Journal of >>>> Philosophy and I imagine that it is floating around in other places >>>> (Sorry >>>> to participate in the "capitalist desire to read texts but...) >>>> >>>> These are just starting points... >>>> >>>> (1) It strikes me that one difference in the way that D & B look at >>>> the >>>> event is in the question of the question of language. It seems that >>> Deleuze >>>> places the event at times into a linguistic enterprise. Of course, >>>> Badiou >>>> would be forced to reject this being the new non-linguistic >>>> philosopher. >>>> >>>> (2) I am in the minority but believe that Deleuze was "to be done >>>> with >>>> ontology." The insistence that being is univocal seems to be great >>>> strike >>>> against ontology. If ontological difference is located in the >>>> individual >>>> and not the species (if you all me to use the biological concept) >>>> then >>>> ontology is moved to becoming (mutation). This is the continuation >>>> of the >>>> Nietzsche project from Twilight. Badiou strikes me as almost equally >>>> skeptical of the ontology, not the concept, but being itself. As >>>> with >>> most >>>> disagreements between Deleuze and Badiou, it comes down to their >>>> understanding of multiplicity and difference. >>>> >>>> (3) Nothing now. >>>> >>>> (4) There seems to be some aggreement that D & G's politics would be >>>> different from Badiou's, hence not militant. I am not sure if this >>>> true. >>> I >>>> do not see that D&G are not setting up a radical militant politics >>> although >>>> it does take on a group dynamic that is absent from Badiou. >>>> Although >>> Badiou >>>> is highly involved with non-party politics, it still seems that >>>> processes >>>> that bring about the militant have a party look to them. If we think >>>> about >>>> is continually example Paul I think we see the party lurking in the >>>> background, or at least the shadow of party lurking in the >>>> background. I >>>> think this is what Zizek means when he says that Badiou is afraid to >>> ex-cize >>>> Stalin. >>>> >>>> (5) Deleuze was famous for his dis-taste for TRUTH, but Badiou's >>>> reworking >>>> of the term renders most of Deleuze's objections mute. Perhaps like >>>> not >>>> wanting to be surround by "scarecrows and suken faces" (Nietzsche >>>> "the Gay >>>> Science), deleuze's rejection of truth is just a matter of taste. >>>> >>>> sid >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages >>>> >>> http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ >>> default.asp >>>> ?SRC=lycos10 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org >>>> Admin interface: >>>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- >>>> driftline.org >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org >>>> Admin interface: >>>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- >>>> driftline.org >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages >>> http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ >>> default.asp >>> ?SRC=lycos10 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org >>> Admin interface: >>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- >>> driftline.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org >>> Admin interface: >>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- >>> driftline.org >>> >>> >> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle >> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle >> rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org >> Admin interface: >> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org >> >> > Ms. Sylvie Ruelle > http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle > rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > Admin interface: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org > > > _______________________________________________ > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > Admin interface: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org > > Ms. Sylvie Ruelle http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle rw_artette_lc-AT-yahoo.com _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org
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