File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0501, message 79

Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:09:43 +0100
Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze and the symbolic

To be honest, I have always been a little unsure about the end of LoS.
 My doubts were confirmed when Deleuze himself said "I've undergone a
change.  The surface-depth opposition no longer concerns me.  What
interests me now is the relationship between a full body, a body
without organs, and flows that migrate."  This is perhaps the point at
which Lacan becomes the "enemy", I don't know.  Nonetheless, LoS is
worth studying in order to follow the development of Deleuze's
thought.  I still think there is the attempt to bring thought and
action together.  Yes, "Speaking presupposes the verb and passes
through the verb", but "This is the verb which, in its univocity,
conjugates devouring and thinking: it projects eating on the
metaphysical plane and sketches out thinking on it."  Then again,
those last few chapters of LoS, from the Twenty-Eighth Series of
Sexuality on, are all very, very, dense.  If any one wants to risk a
summary, that would be incredibly helpful.  For me, at least...

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:57:02 -0800, sid littlefield
<> wrote:
> I am not sure if thinking and acting are re-united in D&G, since speaking and action are united but thinking does not take place under a sign, hence is not linguistic. Maybe look at the end of LoS where the sexual body is broken in order to think.  Maybe this is just a mundane point that one cannot think while one is fucking, but I think not...
> sid
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Depew" <>
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> Subject: [D-G] Deleuze and the symbolic
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:34:24 +0100
> >
> > I don't have an answer either, but here goes...
> >
> > The caesura of psychoanalysis, as I understand it, is the break that
> > open the space between action and thought enabling one to perceive
> > oneself "in the act".  However, the thought is not, in this case, in
> > the act at all.  I think part of what D&G are attempting to provide,
> > is something like an alternative whereby thought and act are reunited.
> >   In therapy, this space occurs in a relationship between analyst and
> > patient which the patient is eventually supposed to develop with
> > himself.  The space has to come to exist in the patient.  Many
> > theorists seem to think that Winnicott's transitional object is such a
> > space.  However, Guattari disagrees.  He reformulates Winnicott's
> > space into the "institutional object" which exists as the
> > intersubjective locus of development.  So the site typically reserved
> > for the ego is replaced by a generalized, or perhaps neuter, site of
> > differential relations.  The subject is still void, thought here it is
> > no longer dispersed amongst structural sites that eventually holds
> > symbols for the construction of the subject =E2=80=93 the filling in of the
> > gap =E2=80=93 instead the gap is already distributive.  As far as I can tell,
> > this gap becomes the smooth space of the social and the circulation of
> > forces across this space the virtual potential for formalization.  The
> > social as subject.  However, when the social actualizes, striates, the
> > circulation is inevitably(?) coded, channeled, controlled.
> >
> > I recently read somewhere about Blanchot's reading of Serge Leclair.
> > Blanchot points to the third person position that disperses the power
> > of the "I" as a matter of refusal.  I believe he uses the term neuter.
> >   Here, the ego is always trying to destroy the third person that
> > refuses to accept determination of "is".  The third person refuses to
> > be negated by particularization.  A pure "he" or "it" without the "is"
> > predicate.  In that refusal, that displaceability of the third person
> > exists a multiplicity of experiences without particulars, a
> > virtuality.  Guattari often refers to this "third".  This is how D&G
> > turn the subject into a void, though not in the Lacanian sense.
> > Yesterday I sat in on a lecture by Jean-Luc Nancy, and he suggests
> > that poetry operates the same way =E2=80=93 according to a break.  He points
> > to the structure of the verse (versus: from vertere, to turn) as
> > always returning to a baseline degree 0 site where it can begin again.
> >   Poetic truth, he suggests, is torn from the void only to return to
> > the void in order to speak again. (Unlike philosophy which just goes
> > on and on...)
> >
> > Anyway, it seems to me that the symbolic has a differentiating
> > function for D&G.  The third person continues to disperse itself in
> > symbols, but not in the attempt to create a stable position, an ego,
> > rather it is a kind of refusal of all particularization.  The symbolic
> > is always intercalary, filling the void, and a mask for the sake of
> > masking.  Thought and act reunited?
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