Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:12:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Liza Kozner <liza_kozner-AT-yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [D-G] What is the difference between a schizo and a bad poet? To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org Sylvie: I'll keep musing with the turtle idea. Richard Pinhas went to see turtles after Deleuze wrote Immanence : Une Vie, and Deleuze died three monthes later he wrote it. Look at his site for the comments on Deleuze's death. Do you know that Deleuze defenestrated in November 1995.How can one, and a philsopher, actually kill himself, after giving his wife Fanny Deleuze, his children and his friends ( Richard Pinhas was one of his friends )such a limpid, enlightened little text of pure philosophical luminous matter? As much as puzzling and horrible an incorporal event his death might become for his personnal readers, it stroke me in various times as signifying something to the same readers which has a size as big as was his capacity of human being, of Deleuze the turtle to heal our "turtle" heart. We have may-be all indeed have become "turtles" like Richard and Fanny since Deleuze killed himself by destroying his philosophy. Our duty on Earth has changed as it is now time to come back to life thanks to his books: we need to question dialogue and turtles to become his true animals (the insects, not the dogs and the cats) as Claire did also when he disappeared from her Human Emotions. He died in atroceous sufferings also, but unlike Christ did not resurfaced to his disciples in human disguise. He took the mask of those who with him became capable to learn how to be readers, or turtles, like his animals, but not "them", different and not identical (insects but not dead bugs like fake non-sensical artists). That's why Richard Pinhas insisted deeply onto the possibility Human Beings have to produce signs, to re-inject meanings in the absence of Emotions on seeing turtles in zoological gardens instead than going fast, because after he died Turtles went faster tha Achil. He later constructed webdeleuze.fr (about Deleuze's Vincennes courses which were taking place there every Thuesday) and Zeldon, Pinhas own rock band, produced a song about slow turtles becoming boulimic of Gilles's ideas. --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle-AT-earthlink.net> wrote: > dialogues and fanny's turtles > > On Feb 19, 2005, at 4:02 AM, james wrote: > > > Those of you who would like to express themselves, > using their own > > language, or an invented one, may I ask if you > feel that there are any > > prerequisites to moving as fast as you are in > language/asignifying > > text? D&G spoke of acceleration. Indeed, to the > limit. But they > > spoke of making yourself into a bwo...a process, > with procedures, and > > one might even say context. The risk is always > turning such speed > > into a line that veers into the abyss (possibly > taking some annoyed > > list members down with you). > > > > They are ways of building up speed, and D&G always > managed to help > > their readers keep up (or at least feel as though > there was something > > to run after). Perhaps I could humbly ask that > you consider that some > > are interested, but if you are in fact trying to > express (or dare I > > say discuss!) something, remember a responsibility > to those who might > > take the time to read. (And no, responsibility > does not equal > > fascism.) > > > > Maybe then some of us will be able to deciopherate > the wonder in the > > accent of the pescpescpece dcprdcp bllaappp! > (*&$%&*#) > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:06:48 +0000 (GMT), Lucy > LeGentilSinge > > <lucy100millionyearsold-AT-yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> do you know sid that the maximum travaille work > >> between property pob travaille bul travaille po > fait > >> bien mais ne change pas des grenier > >> > >> hattntione pour la ville de fashisme si elle est > la, > >> ou alors elle est pas la, > >> mathias ni po travailler, mais si tu travaille tu > >> verra beaucoup de gens qui cassent le moral des > gebs > >> cul pob dup cop vine carma > >> > >> fik > >> frute marte sister has translated this for her > what > >> she wrote, an other idea on your ifea bout you > might > >> be called fasghist. you advised reading her > carefully > >> and it's a language she is using to tell you > important > >> things maybe, > >> > >> try to warm, try to make a bull to draw, do, > maybe > >> then you wil be able to deciopherate the wonder > in the > >> accent of the pescpescpece dcprdcp > >> > >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________ > >> ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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