From: "Chris Chapman" <chapman0603-AT-rogers.com> To: <deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org> Subject: RE: [D-G] new psychologies in lit. crit Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 05:01:37 -0800 Mark, It's certainly Samuel. 'The Way of All Flesh' is a tough slog but one that lingers, I confess I put down Erewhon once the hero lit out over the hill into the valley of automated production. I had a quote in mind that ruined all suspense. I should finish. I wonder if you've read about Guattari's influence in Argentina? His association with Lulu? I was lucky to hear Gary Genosko speak about it a few times here in Canada, Ontario. It's a fascinating story. Guattari met the labour leader in the early 70s after which time the map of Argentine politics began to shudder and shimmy, apparently a strange relation grew between Lulu and medium sized businesses. (I hope someone here can ground this rumour a touch.) You mention the figure of the plinth w/ is analogous to the cut, cicatrix. Are we outside this icon yet? I think applying the virtue of falsity to questions... 'I have one too tell', (brilliant!), interrupts. Has Gondo been to Sermione? Chris. -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org] On Behalf Of Mark Crosby Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 4:26 PM To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: RE: [D-G] new psychologies in lit. crit At some point, Chris, I suddenly realized you were talking about Samuel Butler and not Judith Butler (I think !) One text found in a search (at seekwellness.com) says: "I don't consider Erewhon or any of the attempts to create a paradise on earth (by whatever terms) made famous by the utopian writers to be wellness communities. There is no utopian community. We must create our own partial utopias within the non-wellness oriented communities in which we live". This strikes me as an apt rejoinder to Grant Kester's critique of D&G's politics.. Of course, like Guattari especially, we can try to build utopian communities, as long as membership is voluntary.. (inherent variants rather than free variants ?) I recall the 'request' of one of my daughter's Spanish-speaking friends on the phone: "I have a question to TELL her!" And, no, Liza, you don't NEED to run away like Bigfoot (although you can if you want !) The Bigfoots I had in mind were those who want to ape Kester's Black Panthers all over again (not that the Panthers didn't roar righteously in their own day !) Good luck, Chris, trying to resurrect the way of all flesh! Could actually be a fresh tonic in these days of Victorian resurgence.. Mark (clogging off stage left) On Labov & linguistics, Deleuze's 1986 tribute to Foucault was helpful. I find unpeeled there the "triple space of this plinth" (16) - especially the conceptual plane of "three different realms of space which encircle any statement. First of all there is COLLATERAL space ... formed from other statements that are part of the same group" (4-5). "The second area is that of CORRELATIVE space ... with its subjects, objects and concepts" (6). "This still leaves the third, extrinsic, realm of space: the COMPLEMENTARY space of non-discursive formations" (9). --- Chris Chapman <chapman0603-AT-rogers.com> wrote: > Mark, JMC, > > Thanks for the help. I'm not saying I know anything > about Labov just that he was interpreted > differently by Bourdieu and D&G. > > The heads-up on Woolf's Flush etc. is welcome. This > is the problem though; the focus is either micro or > macro. I'll work on it. JMC, the UM threads you > bring up are great, thanks. > > I'm looking for beginnings of the literary cracks > between UMan morality and Butler's 'psycho-biology', > esp on the Butler side. > > Something tells me I need to have been sitting in a > cold rainy church somewhere in the highlands > listening to a disgruntled pastor. > > Chris. > > -----Original Message----- > deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org > Subject: [D-G] new psychologies in lit. crit > > Underground Man-->Superman, Goethe, Nietzsche, Shaw > (_Man and Superman_) > > Underground Man-->Mad Woman in the Attic, Viriginia > Woolf ("A Room of One's Own"), Edward Albee (_Who's > Afraid of Virginia Woolf?_) ... > > Underground Man-->Invisible Man, Ralph Ellison > (_Invisible Man_), Norman Mailer ("White Negro") > > Underground Man<--Victor Hugo(_Les Miserables_) > > JMC _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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