File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0503, message 41


Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:25:32 +0200
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] Archives
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Hello,

as you are always asaking about may 68, ithink it worthwhile to tell, that
Deleuze and Guattari give a very untypical example of it.
As you know, the Anti-Oedipe is from 1972 and is a markstone in switching
the political interest of the left from the proleterians to
the moinorites.
In 68 the main reference was the movememt of the workers, especially in
connection with Marx, Lennin and sometimes Bakunin.
There is an video interview with the Satre, if you watch, you get a far
better
impression. The influence of Sratre was very strong at that time, there is
also
a  remark of Guattari on the strong influence of Statre on himself.
The war in Vietnam played a big role too.
Here in germany there was a strong discussion concerning the time of the
national socialism, culminating in the thesis, that fascism is still actual
in germany. This was on the ground, that a lot of former NSDAP members
had held their positions in buissnes. This was even the case in the
universities.
The discussions focused on marxian economy, desiring the abolition of
capitalism,
and sociology.
As you surely know, the social backgroubd of the students movement was the
increasing number of students in the sixties.
In germany it goes up from a 100 000 students to 1 000 000 students,
which is a factor of ten.  A lot of new universities were founded.
Naturally the mass of the new students came from the petty bourgoisie
and the working class. So the critique on fascism was very strong.
But there was no real connection to the actual workers of the students,
there was no mass misery. The workers lived with increasing comfort - on
the ground
of technology.
After some time this was realized, that is the point, where the Anti-Oedipe
is located.

Best wishes

Dr. Harald Wenk





Am Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:49:13 -0800 schrieb sid littlefield
<falsedeity-AT-lycos.com>:

> First, let me admot that your writing style is difficult and so if I am  
> just talking past you (as though so one else entirely) I apologize.
>
> The experience of the event proper (one might say the Event) strikes me  
> as intensely personal in its very impersonal quality. It is a  
> singularity, appearing in a specific time and space. If we are lucky  
> then the event is stretched over a larger amount of space and time, but  
> this must be seen as rare and limited.
>
> I assume that the question on cinema is a way of asking about the  
> repetition of the event; cinema's ability to replicate the event. I  
> think that cinema can be an event but I do not see how it can replicate  
> or maintain an event.
>
> To replicate an event seems to be like trying to explain a joke or tell  
> someone about a dream you had. Either way our interest fades with every  
> word.
>
> I am interested in hearing more on the connection between the event and  
> archive. please speak to this.
>
> sid
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lucy LeGentilSinge" <lucy100millionyearsold-AT-yahoo.co.uk>
> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [D-G] Archives
> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 06:08:41 +0000 (GMT)
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> by reading you i have the impression you understand
>> what i asked you, and talked about.
>> by reading you also, the contrary appears to my
>> consciousness. You seduces me, that's normal.
>>
>> that you don't understand this is normal, because the
>> plane is not here,-- i was wondering indeed why nobody
>> understand what i write. it's because the plane is not
>> there. i should make a plane now. :) i should not talk
>> about it, but like more human beings than my own work.
>> so cannot feel ashamed.
>>
>> i am writing very bad i let you think this happyly
>>
>> the reason i am answering: is, that i find it, yet, it
>> will i am sure look contradictory
>> but i want to understand, or rather feel where's the
>> problem if there is something which is not passing
>> between to you and from me.
>>
>> theorize this as you want, "biunivocity", it will only
>> be more deleuzian arguments, now the time is to let
>> you see that my question was about
>> Faucoult : did he ask to himself the question: to give
>> the reader the event, and you say it's naturally done,
>> yet the question is not, and actually there nothing
>> you have not misunderstood , and i was "all" wrong,
>> anyway, let me phrase this: do you know that they
>> could though raise the question, when studying Greek
>> Sexuality, about discovering little chatter between
>> Male and Lesbian Lovers in a street, etc. You imagine
>> the thing: extracts, archeological extracts, from
>> which a "parfume" sheds away across centuries, and
>> moves previous limits.
>>
>> Do you understand? Maybe mysteryous as this you will
>> want to understand something of my question?
>> The question do not seem alien to Metaphysiscs of
>> Cinema at this point. Are you interested by Cinema? Of
>> course you are right, and in case this seems strange,
>> let it be answered by someone else on the list.
>> Bye
>> bye
>>
>> Adline
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:44:32 -0800, "sid littlefield"
>> <falsedeity-AT-lycos.com> said:
>> > It does not strike me that the event is able to
>> remain 'intact' through
>> > an archi--- sid littlefield <falsedeity-AT-lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>> > It does not strike me that the event is able to
>> > remain 'intact' through an archiver. So the question
>> > is: What remnants are we left with when we are
>> > confronted by texts that show a 'fidelty' to the
>> > event?  I speak here of 'fidelty' with reference
>> > with Badiou.  Badiou admits that he is attempting to
>> > showing fidelis to May68, but wonders whether the
>> > event has, in a sense, closed, since it lacks a
>> > name, it is still refered to after all as the event
>> > of MAY68. I am not sure. One would hope that one is
>> > able to catch a glimpse of the remnant, a glimpse of
>> > the remainder, and perhaps this is what we see in
>> > the works of Deleuze, Guattari, Ranciere, Badiou. It
>> > seems that in Badiou's work it is precisely the
>> > subject that is the remnant of the event and this
>> > seems to work with what I have said about catching a
>> > glimpse, but what then? This is my problem, as I am
>> > sure it is for others.  This could however explain
>> > the seductive quality of certain works but also
>> > objects and people...the glimpse of the remnant.
>> >
>> > sid
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Lucy LeGentilSinge"
>> > <lucy100millionyearsold-AT-yahoo.co.uk>
>> > To:
>> > deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
>> > Subject: Re: [D-G] Archives
>> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:24:32 +0000 (GMT)
>> >
>> > > > in my way to mark's post on gravity i peal past
>> > > chapters and stumbles cross your syd your note on
>> > May
>> > > 68
>> > > it's well and i like the idea of asking
>> > > how do you about may68 is there a way to grasp an
>> > > event that (it's a secret may68 i talk ) is it
>> > still
>> > > alive or actualised in memories
>> > > do you know if Deleuze or Foucault they thought
>> > that
>> > > the event was kept in the archives, if it was a
>> > > problem for Foucault to redistribute the evnt,
>> > like a
>> > > tiny molecular revolution as 68 or like Pasteur's
>> > > invention to rabia? is there a way by talking the
>> > > event can be presented "intact" by the Archiver?
>> > ---
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