To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 06:52:01 -0800
Subject: RE: [D-G] the "virtual"


yes it seems that the virtual is a force/power, as its etymology attests to, but it  also important to remember that although Deleuze affirms its reality (against Kant/Aristotle, the tradition) he also returns to the fact that the virtual is not, does not, resemble the actual. And so a gulf remands, but it is this gulf that allows Deleuze to posit a theory of the new without making the two mistakes of philosophy, namely that the new is creation ex nihilio (theological) or the combination of the parts of history. A novel theory about novelty. It is Deleuze that says that every work of art has something ahistorical about it.

----- Original Message -----
From: hwenk <hwenk-AT-web.de>
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: RE: [D-G] the "virtual"
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:44:39 +0200

>
> Hello,
>
> I think you are right, the virtual is some kind of power or force.
> I think Deleuze struggles (in Difference et repetition) with this concept
> against the possibilty,
> which, according to Kant, is the thing only lacking existence.
> This is also not true in my eyes. but the possible is much more preformed
> than the virtual.
>
>
> greetings Harald
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Jeremy Livingston
> Sent: Montag, 24. Januar 2005 18:21
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> Subject: [D-G] the "virtual"
>
>
> I think "virtual" is meant to be a concept of (dare I say it)
> ontology; I think it's meant to be a contribution toward getting a
> vocabulary in which we can talk about the world without resorting to
> objectivistic or transcendental realism. "Virtual" is a concept of
> immanence and dynamism: the "virtual" is that (or "virtuals" are
> those) by virtue of which an event unfolds in just the way it does;
> the virtual factor is an analytic element of "A LIFE" (where
> life-events are immanent to consciousness). The virtual is the power
> of the world. Like a less metaphoricalized or anthropomorphized
> version of Nietzsche's locus of "will to power", if you like -- and I
> think this is important, that "virtual" is meant to mean "pertaining
> to power", virtus, not "pertaining to the unreal or illusory".
>
> Or maybe I'm just mixed up.
> Jeremy
>
> > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:21:45 -0800
> > From: "sid littlefield" <falsedeity-AT-lycos.com>
> > Subject: RE: [D-G] Deleuze and the symbolic
> > To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
> > Message-ID: <20050122032145.0161C86B0D-AT-ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
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> > I don't think the virtual can be reduced to "interpretation mediated by
> reality". It seems to reside in Deleuze's metaphysics. I will speak more to
> this later.
> >
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