Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:45:50 +0100 (BST) From: Gondo -Minnie <gondominnie-AT-yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [D-G] Awakening from the Nightmare of History To: Gondo -Minnie <gondominnie-AT-yahoo.co.uk>, Cc: please avoid ref to the niebelungen mythology it has been used by the industrious6culture of nawi i gave ;y friend he strted to read deleuwe i like hoz he said rhizo;e zhqt you sqy is not that new or interesting zhy the Draq;q drama if not marx comic history repeets tragic heraclitus m virgil think about berlusconi versus tragic mussolini. take a break. stop thinking you have to express thatm nobody cares. hopefully they will not. at least do not destroy the possibles with your theories. thank you for saying the; herem atchoughm ==bye. g. --- NZ <pretzelworld-AT-gmail.com> wrote: > James is such a poet. yes, It IS like intermingling > tree-structures. > If only we could have Yggdrasil to explain our > situation and guide us > thru, but those are old-fashioned mythologies. Where > is that old > rhebus(!?), indeed, D-G seem to provide fragments of > it. But, here is > some more nightmare-sleep-fantasy... > > "In Norse mythology the Einherjar or Einheriar, were > spirits of > warriors who had died bravely in battle every day. > In the morning, > they are woken by Gullinkambi, a rooster, and march > out to the great > field of Idavoll in the heart of Asgard to fight > against each other in > merry (and mortal) combat. At dusk, when they are > all cut to pieces, > save perchance a few, they are miraculously healed, > and march back > into Valhalla, where Andhrímnir, the cook of the > gods, has prepared a > meal for them from the pork of Sæhrímnir, a pig that > is reborn every > day, and the mead milked from Heiðrún, a goat > feeding on the leaves of > Yggdrasil. [...] A tree whose leaves and twigs reach > down to the roof > of Valhalla and provide food for the goat Heiðrún > and the stag > Eiktyrnir that both live on the roof.)" > -there's more at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einherjar > ------------------- > If Stanislaw Lem says so, I am, truely dreaming or > sleep-living > (rather than just plain "dead" like Tollund Man > (300.b.c)), then i > must necessarily have a concept (no matter how bad) > of The Absolute > through which I can interact with the realworld. For > Tollund Man it > could very likely be the Goat, Heiðrún which > connects us as Einherjar > to Yggdrasil. I am sure Bill Moyers could > deconstruct the whole > "Goat-thing" in western civilization better than me, > but the part I > like is imagining "us as the Einherjar, subsisting > off hamburgers and > beer served to us by the fine babes at Hooters BBQ, > playing the > endgame with Duchamp during the day." No thanks. As > our reality takes > on the literal aspects of our abstract cultural > myths, we too often > loose the context for that original myth. Through > time those > mythic-cultures become "re-territorialized" as > products sold back to > us. (don't marketers have their own imagination to > rape?) Even as > paradoxs of market psychology these myths fulfill a > latent economy of > meaning that indeed leaves an imprint on historical > consciousness (but > that is not real even if the imprint is). So why > then are we still > sucking ass all day? A concept of absolute allows > for that economy to > be governed consciously, but without a concept of > absolute that > economy is subject to virtually any BwO whether or > not it is conscious > or not. Hitler targeted the Thrall suckers. One > problem I have (which > is why I am not an anarchist) that a capitalist BwO > is most likely not > conscious either.... and yet we, who are > "becoming", must absorb that > excess economy and redistribute it ourselves, it is > a cruel act. > > Coming back to NYC from Poland & germany last week, > made me realize > how few Americans have a sense of identity outside > of culture-industry > (or their insular Satre-groups). It isn't an > identity-crash, there was > no soaring identity, its a calm calculated > identity-landing, with > Herve Vilechaize greeting me. I mean, the county is > made by people who > could not work out their problems back home and > needed an imaginary > blank slate on which to begin, that makes a perfect > target. Like > Rawls' original position, it reflects an > impoverished moral > conception of the person. In what scenario would I > want my concept of > identity to compete with my concept of justice? > None, thanks to my > persona-culture those are mutually exclusive for me, > so it is the > nightmare of such a scenario that makes me paranoid. > Heracletus saw > the absolute as fire, chaotic but adaptable (it can > only be, so long > as it is there), plato saw it divided by the > knowable (that being > known+unknown) and "nothing", as did Anaxagoras. > Xeno easily showed > how difficult it is to move forward without a > concept of absolute. And > since then, Plato's "nothing" has been filled by > twinkies, electron > microscopes and bikini wax, and promptly transfered > into the > "knowable". Without a concept of the Absolute, then > that economy of > transfer (from nothing to unknown-knowable, and then > to > known-knowable) is taking place in an unconscious > realm of our > identity, which leaves it vulnerable to virtually > any logic, > especially Xeno's. Culture was not always in the > unconscious realm. > Ideas like the rhebus and the kenning allowed it to > have meaning. I am > starting to think that fact that English lost its > genderized nouns > also fits into this. > "a martini is made with dry vermouth, so your soul > can't get wet." > Heraclitus the Bartender > _______________________________________________ > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > Info: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org > Archives: www.driftline.org > ___________________________________________________________ Get My Web - a better way to save web pages http://uk.search.yahoo.com/myresults/default _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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