Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:33:37 -0400 From: NZ <pretzelworld-AT-gmail.com> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] sex appeal pf the inorganic "The philosopher's task therefore is to proclaim the greatness and dignity of this lifeless, orgasmless sexuality", says ACH.... "...without orgasm, without a climax, without any release of tension, without any return at the end to a satiated self." -Pinncchio Theory --------------- I have only read the discussion and the Pinnocchio review, but I don't see any reason to assume that this experience (sai) is "orgasmless". Does it not seem pretty clear that Perniola is talking about that gigantic mass orgasm of society - "culture". In a very broad sense, of course, culture, that act of creation, is a messiness that is all over the place - like the lost mandrake sperm of the hanged culprit (I-gloo). Even in pt.1 of the Dylan special on PBS, Scorsese made the really good point that Dylan's working class roots (capitalist alienation) inspired in him an eruption of identity that became part of our culture. Dylan undergoes a very philosophical experience, yet without any of the "holding back" of orgasmlessness. Anyone who studies popular music is aware of this class-specific alienation factor. Just a few simplified examples, Liverpool '59 - British Rock, Bronx '74 - Hip Hop, Kingston '56 - Ska, Detroit '85- techno, even Elvis's Memphis '53 (re: Griel Marcus's wonderful "Presleyiad"). The difference between say the Beatles and the Rolling Stones is quiet significant in this regard (re: Carducci's "Rock and the Pop Narcotic"). Scorsese's documentary also presented Pete Seegar's startling observation that the American Folk movement of the 60's arrived 10 years late(!), due to the HUAC hearings. I don't think Seegar is trying to self-edify, I think he is just being really insightful about this social "orgasm" of culture and the preventive action (holding back) of right-wing conservatives. As I recall from that horrible "assemblege", HUAC, started out as means to remove then Secretary of Treasurey, Henry Morgenthau and his crusade against the BIS (and other banks like Chase) who had stepped up to the plate to fund Hitler's campaign. Aside from removing the communists, what it turned into was a "culture jam" that helped the industrialists gain control of american identity, thru culture . . . frorm "rhythm n' blues" to "Leave it to Beaver"... perhaps Koenigsberg can tell us more about Krishna's nightmare within a nightmare, what else could it be? _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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