From: "Julia Barclay" <julia-AT-flyingoutofsequence.org>
To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:45:47 -0000
Subject: Re: [D-G] reterriolization, nihilism, new thruth seeking


At the risk of being squawked at for even mentioning someone else, has 
anyone involved in this discussion looked at the work of Eugene Gendlin? 
Especially book of essays about his stuff called 'Language Beyond 
Postmodernism'?  It seems to address some of these dilemmas, albeit in a 
completely different language.  I'm intrigued by the cross-overs of D&G with 
Gendlin even though I doubt either was/is very aware of each other (Gendlin 
is still alive).

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From: "NZ" <pretzelworld-AT-gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [D-G] reterriolization, nihilism, new thruth seeking


> in a chessgame of rules, all we can confront is the narrative of our 
> opponant.
> this was Bismark's attitude (circa 1860s), and when there was no
> narrative, it was Bismark who imposed his paranoid narrative upon
> situtations that would otherwise reveal raw data.
> what is the difference between confronting raw data and that data
> specifically born of narrative? I think this is an issue for me,
> especially if I am expected to assume that narrative-creation is a
> most basic principle of the mind.
>
> Many mouse neuro-biologists have this basic belief that there are two
> componants to thinking: first, the spacial organization of "landmark"
> data within the connected neurons in the brain, and second, that
> unique temporal narrative that this data is orchestrated against (as
> in the phenomena of split-second dreaming). I do not want to disagree
> with this assumption, it seems correct to me. But to take this
> assumption seriously would require bestowing a gravity towards
> intelligence based on internal "narrative-creation" as that is the
> crux.  The subset of all data presented by an external narrative can
> only serve to limit the intelligence of my own internal
> narrative-creation. That is why all data is seen as raw rather than
> narrative-based. That is why "scooter" Libby went to jail. To those
> who are able to recognize  some narrative of an external data set, we
> are given a unique option to choose either submit to that narrative,
> copitulation (ie, adopt that narrative and the entire data set which
> it contains, folding in upon our own narrative and sup-planting it,
> this is the purpose of Virilio's prostylization) or we must choose
> re-territorialization, a difficult intellectual process of recognizing
> various strata of data and re-organizing them in a self-confident
> manner. This amounts to pure calorie-burning labor and all free
> thinking individuals are guilty of this hard work. We might as well be
> digging holes. I say guilty, because most of this labor is recognized
> only within the "recording surface" of de-territorialized information.
> In this way what is thought to be re-territorialization is often just
> de-territorialization because it lacks its own context for providing
> tempo control in the game. Defeat is necessary because the opponant is
> too stupid to stop playing the "endgame".
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