From: "hwenk" <hwenk-AT-web.de> To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:13:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [D-G] impossibility of interactivity on the internet for me Hello Liza, the quote with the Eskimos should remind on Zappa's "don't you eat that yellow snow" which is a slang for drugs I think heroin). greetings Harald Wenk -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Liza Kozner Sent: Dienstag, 22. November 2005 20:20 To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] impossibility of interactivity on the internet for me yes it's the sufferings of the Esquimos that more exactly yet there's a possibility for an Esquimo to escape thus from, its an change of forces. its very difficult to understand at the moment on such a list. NZ <pretzelworld-AT-gmail.com> wrote: my jello-mind is getting frightful of the pointy-point. I am sensitive to intense communications. I know I know what I think the point you are making because it is very clear. but some of the terminology is unclear. There are a few more books that I've been meaning to read lately, I just cant remember their titles right now. I think one of them was talking about the same thing, whatever that is. W hen I read Deleuze, I think about diffent things, lots of times. I really like the quote about Eskimos, this isn't a quote exactly but .... its a quote of a quote (3x)... "Why would you want to become a smelly yello greasey Eskimo? But, supposing that you did, then you'd have at least destroyed the Eskimo that youd become." DyG dont want you to murder anybody, no no no, they're talking about the technique that gets used for "becoming". how it yields a result and that there is no way of stopping it in the middle. They're not even being judgemental about the technique, kinda offered up as poetry, (perhaps for folding useful for subversion). BwO So if we are all running around with "krishna's K-trip" in our head, what is there to do once we see it for what it is? Well, after Identity, then its the technique that allows us to keep it in there or let it loose. I mean specific techniques like masonry or igloo building, or like Maholy-Nagy's bauhaus, or like Robert Moses, who parted the seas in NYC's melting pot, of urban redistricting. most of R.Moses technique was stolen from other greats (such as bridge builder Othmar Ammann), but it was technique nonetheless. how else (other than technique) could R.Moses make the yazam-dreams of corrupt urban landowners come true? techniques like the photo-chemical baths that Muybridge brought to instantaneous photography in 1875 which were taken/folded/taken from the Modoc ghostdance bathing rituals. at the time, this genius Muybridge was a brain-damaged, murderous goon who had put his 10yr old son up for adoption so he could work for John Stanford - the guy who invented "time zones." After Stanford left him, Muybridge turned to Edison who was also looking for techniques, techniques that cinematically blended sight and sound so that he could expand the markets for his roster pop-song recording artists. these artists stole the techniques of whistling field workers, 100 years before elvis, 30 years before popular radio and waay before gore invented the internet. (now do you know he is an employee of google?) now look, its no big surprise that Stanford is at the center of this whole internet, what with spawning google, windows, and apple all together at the same keg party. (yep its a kegger, Shotgun!!!! b.y.o. BwO!!) And why does PV & Tofler & NewtGingritch say that the world is speeding up? Because of things like the Stanford computers that facitate the recording and playback of automata-technique. The printer, that actualizes data, en-acting script. (Can you imagine R.Moses with a printer that could print actual concrete roadway?) Well, its that actual technique becoming separated (reterritorialized) from the actual person that used actual brain-neurons(identity) to conceive of the technique and distribute it through an actual nervous system to move the muscles that will en-act this or that upon the world. (isn't that what you were saying before?) I like robbe-grillet's "new york city revolution" where actors read from a script, which if acted out properly will en-act a worldwide revolution, of course, that revolution is completely scripted. ha-ha, but it's also a seriously pointy point, cuz, there is a big difference from what is in your jello-head and what is in the raw-data world. The mouse neurons that connect "red door" with "cheese" are two raw-data bits in a tiny mouse-narrative that is also ... also encapsulated within the larger narative of the neurobologist who thinks these silly mouse games will help the CIA make this world a better place for himself. but the mouse neurons can connect without showing results, the narrative can exist without being en-acted (bloggers). thats why the mouse is starved, so that results are consistant, so that the techniques of the reptilian-nervous-system forcibly kick the mammalian-brain out of the way. once the mouse has "choosen" to act upon that neural-connection and actually en-act that connection in the world, (ie, stop trying to escape and instead crawl through the red door to get the cheese) then finally the scientist's narrative can be proven fallible and CIA-logos can be championed. If you are worried about loss of power don't fret pretzel, cuz all the power still belongs to the non-schizoid scientist, artist, academian, non-thrall , non-gigantuserectus, yeti-child, non-sex, anti-nihilist, .... and (Silence is not a good way to gain tempo control of power, it will just pass the ethical-buck to the next inevitable loudmouthed talent that comes along ready to give-up personal technique for the capitalist-phalogos. (I'm talking about Outsiders like rick rubins who sold out lowerclass music to peddle freemarket racial-identity, hiphop and metal) We are not alone and I think it is wrong to act alone in the way that Job Matusow did in "False Witness" during his retarded subversion of Joe McCarty, at the end just he en-acted a lot of stupidity and left the real monster h.u.a.c. untouched. ....But the power that the scientist-yeti-child has is in un-Identifing himself with the counter-intelligence agenda and en-acting his own Identity upon the situation. Like with Perseus and Medusa, he didn't look directly at her, he did what he's most comfortable doing, he looked into the mirror of his god-given shield and used sophisicated optical folding-techniques to aim his fatal blow. So I dont ever be affraid of pointy forbidden knowlege. _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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