To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:42:54 +0200 Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence Hello, I am surprised that there seems no realistc view on scientific research and so much pressure to control it. Whhat do you think has science and technology brought about that should have better been not been invented. I remark that the theory of atomism is so that building atomic bombs is very easy provided you have enough radioaktiv material. The state of science in the 1940ies has been very low compared to nowadays. Most of inventions improve capitalism by improving daily live in making it more comfortable. I don't suspect anyone is willing to abolish most of this comfort. You may know that also Althusser has written about that what he calls "The spontaneous ideolgy of scientiests". He meant something that science is pure and good in the eyes of the researches and the critics as Althussser say that they have to look to whom its serves what they are doing. But thinking democratic in my eyes there is indeed mostly profits for all people and mostly also social problems need more and not less science or application of science to be solved. Deleuze and Guattari are full of references to most prominent and famous science at the time their books were written, especially sciences connected with structuralism. I have read Benajmins essay on Baudelaire long tinme ago, but I was more impressed as a lot of people here in germany by his essay on arts in times of the possibility techincal reproducing - emphazising the loss of o the "aura". I was also impressed as a lot of people here in germany by his thesis on the philosophy of history with the interpretation of Klees picture of the angle of history looking back in going forward. But you can tell me where Benjamin is speaking of "pure violence", especially in an affirmative or model giving way. greetings Harald Wenk -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Gondo -Minnie Sent: Sonntag, 5. M=E4rz 2006 21:18 To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence I am sorry if I have seen to be insulting you: I was meandering in the litteral litteral world, i have always been attracted to books and a shema which could be questioned is: formed inside my multiplicities and what I do not yet know is wether dis shema will offer me such ruptures, or insults, but it must be good and rewardful to test it: i am thinking about in particular this part of the shema which i have read in Stengers and Pignarre book: Anti-Capitalism and Sorcellery Capitaliste They say that the scientists are seduced to work and do not have the control of their thinkings, because need be results that line up to Capitalism. (is this still obscure, sorry for my synchretism, synthethistesme) Said also that they scientists reseachers, and alike, have a difficulty in admitting that, and that it was what I wanted so here find discussed with you in a democratic practice of international consistant discussing way. Can the scientist be allowed by the producer some liberty of creation? The negative answer to that offers altermondiale wonder at the slowness to which medication for Aids is distributed, the generics allowed, and also the problem of Organic Genetically Modified. Which could be suspected to be created in a practice, or environment of control, and not so much as the publicity of it would present them, scientific way of life for the future good of all. Is this less obscure. That's about it. Walter Benjamin: did you read his essay on Baudelaire. I have asked to publisher to read it. Next month Books said will be handy. Talk more about it next mail?. Sorry for uneasy. let's undertsand now: Pillow Time Zone establishment Era. ZZZ AAA XXX JJJ hwenk <hwenk-AT-web.de> wrote: Hello, excuse me, maybe I am a little bit to much used to read or hear things expressing in a more direct and understandable way, also in regard of the circumstances, what people want and try to say. As far as I see the members of these list are spread all over the world and are changing a lot. Therefore personal acquaintance doesn't play a crucial role, especially as this list is official a discussion forum concerning the work of Deleuze and Guattari. So sometimes things you are writing are a at least bit obscure, sometimes insulting. As a lover of freedom and respect for one another, in regard of the golden rule and this list as a model in act of free practice, which is your own proposal, I suggest to express oneself more clearly. I am not aware that pure violence plays an important role in the work of Walter Benjamin. Best wishes Harald Wenk -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Gondo -Minnie Sent: Samstag, 4. M=E4rz 2006 16:42 To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence Dear all, whatever i write on this list is too be read and not read by not the same body mostly it is not readable by the body without organs and i am trying to read nevertheless what i wrote is there, existing as human being and it is not easy sometimes i write something in the inbox and i write something else on the sentbox and i write something else in the bulkbox most of it looks like dirty beauty jam of spam and i hear your music in the radio and write an apologetic mail to harald wenk about my interest for the others on the list regards to all Gondo the Nevrosed --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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