From: "hwenk" <hwenk-AT-web.de>
To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:42:54 +0200
Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence


Hello,

 I am surprised that there seems no realistc
view on scientific research and so much
pressure to control it.
Whhat do you think has science and technology brought about that should have
better been not been invented.

I remark that the theory of atomism is so  that
building atomic bombs is very easy provided you have enough radioaktiv
material.
The state of science in the 1940ies has been
very low compared to nowadays.

Most of inventions improve capitalism by improving daily live
in making it more comfortable.
I don't suspect anyone is willing
to abolish most of this comfort.

You may know that also Althusser has
written about that what he calls
"The spontaneous ideolgy of scientiests".

He meant something that science is pure and good
in the eyes of the researches and the critics as Althussser
say that they
have to look to whom its serves what they are doing.

But thinking democratic in my eyes there is indeed
mostly profits for all people and
mostly also social problems need more
and not less science or application of science to be solved.

Deleuze and Guattari are full of references to most prominent and famous
science  at the time their books were  written, especially
sciences connected with structuralism.

 I have read Benajmins essay on Baudelaire long tinme ago,
but I was more impressed as a lot of people here in germany  by his
essay on arts in times of the possibility
techincal reproducing - emphazising the loss
of o the "aura".

I was also impressed as a lot of people here in germany by his
thesis on the philosophy of history
with the interpretation of Klees picture of the angle of history looking
back in going forward.

But you can tell me where Benjamin  is speaking of
"pure violence", especially in an affirmative or model giving way.

greetings Harald Wenk















-----Original Message-----
From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Gondo
-Minnie
Sent: Sonntag, 5. M=E4rz 2006 21:18
To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence


I am sorry if I have seen to be insulting you:
  I was meandering in the litteral
  litteral world, i have always been attracted to books
  and a shema which could be questioned
  is: formed inside my multiplicities
  and what I do not yet know is wether dis shema will offer me
  such ruptures, or insults, but it must be good
  and rewardful to test it:
  i am thinking about in particular this part of the shema which i have read
in Stengers and Pignarre book:
  Anti-Capitalism and Sorcellery Capitaliste
  They say that the scientists are seduced to work
  and do not have the control of their thinkings,
  because need be results that line up to Capitalism. (is this still
obscure, sorry for my synchretism, synthethistesme)

  Said also that they scientists reseachers, and alike,  have a difficulty
in admitting that, and that it was what I wanted so
  here find discussed with you in a democratic practice of
  international consistant discussing way.
  Can the scientist be allowed by the producer some liberty of creation?
  The negative answer to that offers altermondiale wonder at the slowness to
which
  medication for Aids is distributed, the generics allowed, and also the
problem
  of Organic Genetically Modified. Which could be suspected to be created in
a practice, or environment of control,
  and not so much as the publicity of it would present them, scientific way
of life for the future good of all.
  Is this less obscure.
  That's about it.

  Walter Benjamin: did you read his essay on Baudelaire. I have asked to
publisher to read it. Next month Books said will be handy. Talk more about
it next mail?. Sorry for uneasy. let's undertsand now: Pillow Time Zone
establishment Era.
  ZZZ

AAA

  XXX

  JJJ
hwenk <hwenk-AT-web.de> wrote:
  Hello,

excuse me, maybe I am a little bit
to much used to read or hear things expressing in a more
direct and understandable way,
also in regard of the circumstances, what people want and try to say.
As far as I see the members of these list are spread
all over the world and are
changing a lot.
Therefore personal acquaintance doesn't play a crucial role, especially as
this list
is official a discussion forum
concerning the work of Deleuze and Guattari.

So sometimes things you are writing are a at least bit obscure, sometimes
insulting.
As a lover of freedom and respect for one another,
in regard of the golden rule and
this list as a model in act of free practice, which is your own proposal, I
suggest to
express oneself more clearly.

I am not aware that pure violence plays an important role in the work of
Walter Benjamin.

Best wishes

Harald Wenk


-----Original Message-----
From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Gondo
-Minnie
Sent: Samstag, 4. M=E4rz 2006 16:42
To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence


Dear all,



whatever i write on this list is too be read and not read by not
the same body
mostly it is not readable by the body without organs
and i am trying to read nevertheless
what i wrote is there, existing as human being
and it is not easy
sometimes i write something in the inbox
and i write something else on the sentbox
and i write something else in the bulkbox
most of it looks like dirty beauty jam of spam
and i hear your music in the radio
and write an apologetic
mail to harald wenk about
my interest
for the others on the list

regards to all
Gondo the Nevrosed



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