From: "hwenk" <hwenk-AT-web.de> To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:41 +0200 Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence Hello, "HWenk, what does "hoyle" refer to (other then "hole")?" to "whole" and to "heal" greetings Harald Wenk -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of NZ Sent: Mittwoch, 8. Marz 2006 04:35 To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence what is the ultimate goal of science? it a psycho-sexual pursuit for people with intimacy problems? a lot of it is just plain work-drudgery (so is sex sometimes), like counting integers, splicing genes all day, over and over again, and its really really nice to go home and drink and watch tv. I don't think its good to go around just talking about "science" like its this "thing" y'know?, Deleuze can be found often pathologizing the very opposite with his, "assembleges." - "abolish modern conveinience" <--- isn't it just rhetorical to be connecting creative invention-inovation with capitalism? aren't they separate homofauxnorms of different subjects entirely? the west germans laff at the dull external appearance of east german shopping malls, while east germans complain about the rigid conformity of consumer products inside the west german shopping malls, whats the point other then rhetorical distraction? as "if" such a connection could ever be proven, how!? (I doubt Liebnitz could even postulate a mathumatical proof of the rational existence of 3, the integer, as in 1+(1+1)= ...what!? but that does'nt mean that I can conflate a 3 from him, yeah. I have to uncork myself. connecting that line from Clausewitz to benjamin to virilio, and mixing in some Rousseau(Emile=freud, freud=marx, capitalism vs communism, freud=capitalism) it is quite facinating especially in terms of the state. would you be willinging to extend this line to socraties and his version of the state. It seems a strong case to suggest an overly spartan version of history then. especially up to this day today. Here at least Clauswitz & Nietsch can cream themselves over the very same pornographic one-dimensional version of naked will-power. It is neither gold nor silver like socrates' spartan citizen but some new alloy orininating perhaps materialized from the fables of Grimm(and their massive logos complex), i don't know, but below that prussian blue surface I am looking for the roman empire. When the empire split, and it did so continuously for thousands of years, but in the beginning of the split, just after nero, when the pope was satanic, when the emperor's clothes were clearly revealed and it was basically 3 or 4 military camp-cities spread all into europe, when the spartan core, that military civil-union was in place all throughout europe, that was when they could rule by "religion of the mind." Spinoza really got wet about psycho-mental control mechanisms and I am sure it was because of his personal ethical behavior that his insights should only be used for the good of knowlege. After DeVris was sucessfully removed, was not the king of France knocking on his door asking spinozoid to write an "Ethics" for his evil empire as well? I am imagining benjamin debating hitler, it is not possible... not even a spartan king would do it. if not, then who can be seen in direct opposition to benjamin's philosopical posture, and who was it that made benjamin take on such a dramatic dialog? was he talking to himself, Pluralis Majestati, (not one but two spartan kings) as it was the german troops (citizens of neu-sparta, all thoroughly brainwashed by a recipe that was equal parts Clauswitz's and straight-ahead freudian pathology, a modern invention-innovation much like the 1918 spanish flu, what bird flew?) Who had shot through his sure-solid case with this so-called "suicidal" rhetoric? In what way can it be considered "suicidal"? (time to remember the plot-line... a suicidal disposition of social character is not nearly as interesting as benjamin's symiotec matrix of a capitalist psychological conspiracy, I much prefer this line of inquiry...) In this way I can understand why nk would fit foucault in here, foucault trys to make knowlegeble de-linations while attempting to remain an outsider to that system which puts clausewitz principals into normalized state operated social control mechanisms, like FEMA all over in usa. Just like Spinoza tried to remain outside of the influence of the politics, which he did rather well, until he died (with his moral code too!). When virilio meets with the cia to discuss civil strategies during war, I am sure they have quiet a lot of things to learn from him, and I'm sure virilio operates with hindsighted knowdelge of the enitire history of philosophy behind him, he is not there to get played, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't. When I read virilio's version of the korean war I was struck by how imaginative his writing can be. He made beautiful allusions to mirrors and flowers and a ballet of munitions. In his version I wondered how he could explain the symetrical patterns that he observed (he plays dumb like jung who doesn't ask where the anima comes from he just goes ahead and bases his next postulate upon it). (BTW, the sym comes from the fact that both the cccp and the usa were building their fleets frm the verry same nazi rocket plans, and this is also how the nuclear arms race started, u can look it up in the dictionary). After all pv was only using these elaborate descriptions so he could effectively contrast this "style" of warfare with the more modern guerilla warfare. In his version he did not see how clausewitz had come back into vogue today (and as far back as the cia's involvement in africa), or perhaps he was not willing to comment upon his collegues. The way I read him, virilio is very excited to be a part of the new spartan order and he finds intellectual reasons for the reader to get excited too. HWenk, what does "hoyle" refer to (other then "hole")? _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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