Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:48:05 -0500
To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence


just a note:

the WB text is written early 20's. it was a discussion with Sorel, and has
no relation to Nazi's at all. There were even no Nazi party at the time. It
was a discussion over the violence during the Weimar republic and so on.

and also: in terms of violence, WB somewhere thanks to Carl Schmitt because
of his non-humanistic reading of violence and politics. worth thinking on
it, rather than easy Nazi generalizations.

best,


On 2/28/06, Gondo -Minnie <gondominnie-AT-yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>    i am thinking also about the topic of war machine and this is what i
> think
>   i think the war machine DG said can be in relation
>   to the state. what i do not measure, is the way takes off this relation.
>   in ATP there's two Machines of War position, see  of Apparatus of
> Capture Chapter
>   Did Benjamin not write during the second world war, and was particulary
> concerned with Nazi
>   I am somewhat shame ridden to say:
>   In the way Nazis were an implosion of Capitalism, a capture by the Third
> Reich of segments and flows of the war machine of capitalism, yet turning it
> against itself. It did so in reason thereof Capitalism shared coexistence or
> combination with States like France, America, Russia (Britain etc)
>   and wish i d Rather say:
>   Deleuze say Nazi were suicidary. i took the States (cfr Mein Kamph in
> Propaganda)
>   values, ressources, and vampirized it. Which triggered this is a 1929
> crisis, external, to Germany.
>   The question for Agamben, might be: what with the modern day War Machine
> in its non minoritarian position. The simple fact of its exteriority,
> implies States are combined, in the activity of the War Machine. The
> violence you speaketh therewhichcomes from the reterritorialisation on the
> ressources of States (I guess this can be energy, but can be values, in
> reason States incorporeates values and energies.) for the active of the War
> Machine.
>
>   Please answer if I am correct.If this goes your way, and helps. I would
> like your opinion because my thought need be perfect. Gracias.
>
>   Ciao
>   G.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas Kiersey <nkiersey-AT-vt.edu> wrote:
>   Dear D&G folks:
>
> Having read Deleuze and Guattari a bit on nomadism and the concept of
> the war machine some time back, I am today reading Agamben on
> Benjamin's notion of a 'pure violence' that undermines sovereignty by
> virtue of the "simple fact of its exteriority".
>
> Can someone tell me if they share my feeling that there is a
> resonance between the war machine and benjamin's pure violence? Has
> this been explored? Is there somewhere Agamben elaborates on this in
> detail?
>
> Perhaps someone more involved in these literatures might be able to
> shed some light?
>
> Thanks,
>
> NiK
>
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