To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:36:06 +0200 Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence Hello, it looks like you are more interesred in private life and the discussion of Deleuze and Guattari or Spinoza doesn't play any important role for the path you travel. In my eyes this is a group for discussing the work of Deleuze and Guattari and waht advanced philosophy can tell us to solve our problems or to live better. Therefore I think it is sometimes hard to find out what you discuss in this list. greetings Harald Wenk -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of NZ Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Marz 2006 01:57 To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence to take a step back in time... I am a friend of spinoza also, we shared a carp lunch in the summertime. I can tell by his voice that he is an old soul, a good man. There are other people in my life that I care about also and if they get into trouble I get worried. I want them to stop doing the things that are dangerous. I was worried for Spinoza when DeVriS was kidnapped and violently murdered by angry public, but the public is not mad at Spinoza really, he is just a guy, they were mad at their government. The violence of a society is not directed at an object but more like a "situation" "constellation of events and objects" - (anti-war, french labor laws, Basque independence, capitalism, football team). Even a war is designed by the war designers (re: clausewitz) to be "non-personal," but instead the target of violence is still more like a situation. What makes that situation the way that it is? In one guess... laws. In two guesses... people. In three... money... now I am talking about power... soveriengty again. Sure person-to-person violence will happen but that is really psychological and I don't think I have what it takes to read people's mind, I'd much rather read my own mind Science, Math and logic (together as logos) are perfectly harmless, they are wonderful, that is not a debate for me, I use them everyday, I have no desire to like like a dog who cannot drive a car. I love to drive a car, it is one of the most amazing things a person can do in the 20th century, that and of course taking a shower is very iimportatn, also it is important to wear socks in the modern age. My references are my own, if they are unknown, then they are probably not very important and they do not need to be understood. But the references are my hyponemata, everyone has their own hypomnemata and if we share them with each other we build a logos together. (Google and wikipedia make it easy to begin to understand the weird subjects that people talk about.) The violence of my logos against your logos, is not intentional, it is inherent, cannot avoid this violence, I think it is a part of logos - and when I read wbenj's "crit on violence" I am only more sure of this (for myself, for my hyponmemata now has new exciting places to travel... logos-vs-logos = positive-v (here the scientist will win) nonlogos-vs-logos = natural-v (here the dog will win) Spinoza's hymomnemata (his undeveloped writting and math), was mostly private. When his freind snuck into his room on Sunday and stole the dead Spinoza's hypomnemata and the published it, that is called "re-territorialzing" - taking the life-code of one nice fellow and broadcasting it to millions of other nice fellows. Today we can all read Spinoza's hypomnemata as a "finished" work. We can use his personal techniques for happiness on ourselves. That is good for me and that is good for society. "good" as in happiness, blessed intelligence. Fine, but there are a million ways to achieve blessed happiness, not just the one (dualism really, just like Zarathustran dualism, it is a dualist system - the spartans had a dualist system too and so does america today). By following the prescription for one path (so-called "monism), I will totally ignore the prescription for all the other paths. (here is the old fashioned demonstration of energy constants within the mind) IF tthat said path is also aligned with a violent soverienty then what is to be done? Am I an unconscious member of the soveriengty, a tool? Can I work hard to extract the "meaning" of said path and re-align/ de-territorialize my own path from it so as to disconnect my actions from the path of soviergn violence, sure, but will that help others who are in my same situation? Probably not. For me, and this is just for me, I ask myself "but why work so hard doing that when there are a million other paths to take that have not yet been re-territorialized by the soverignty." In this way I see Spinoza as burried under the horizon-line of history. yes we are all standing upon him but to get down to his level involves a lot of digging, hard work. I am not shy of hard work but personally I do not feel comfortable looking up at the world from this perspective. _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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