Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:27:21 -0400 From: NZ <pretzelworld-AT-gmail.com> To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence andriod lesbian #1 "the act of personal stasis is certainly in agreement, yet I see no depth probe outside of some unavoidable ethical gravitational vortex, where phenomena gets sucked catagorically dry. ... and generally as a discussion of no particular investment, allowing such valuable liesure time to be polluted by meaningful direction would be possible were it not for my bone-sucking adddiction to logos-phallus-dick sucking....[explictives deleted]" ----- under the same thread with these words like cushions. When I go look up top of this conversation and thnk, what is this "wooden iron" doing under the bottom mattress? i'm understaning "wooden iron" like somekind of violence of "metaphor", literally as a philospophical violence projected upon the sovereignty in the form of associative-logos... (re:"give Caesar what is to Caesar") ------- I could go on like this forever, stasis vs stasis, positivelaw vs natural law... so, here is a list of words from your stasis that I read, they all have question marks after them: metaphor? iron? wooden? overload? judgement? harm? inner stress? patience? martial artist lemme start w/... wooden? (okay "flexible", but there's more here... the human as a tree, roots, or as the wood, he would be dead. flexible dead wood. dead as in the heraclitus definition which is asleep-soul. then also, I am sure that along with wagner, nietzcheche had fun with the norse myths and its socially abnormal violent mixtures with christianity, the hanging trees as the end/ultimate container of man's life cycle was such a horrific custom that its meaning was way beyond metaphor but here now the metaphor conjures its meaning nonetheless, especially in terms of creating a suicidal passion within modern man, or whomever reads the oedipal-text as an education. My question becomes who is the "we" for Neitsche, some kind of question that involves getting to know somebody and reading a bunch. (note-to-self: must buy bus token for trip to library) Does neitsche say "we must be like wooden iron" or does he say "they must be like wooden iron" , I dont mean to say "must" its just there, a guess, like "we are" or "we should", y'know, its the pov, intention, that is confusing for me.) The way I can imagine it for now, is to see nietzche as the aristocrate who is saying "we be like wooden iron" to his fellow sovereign aristocrates with the intention of imposing a violent metaphor upon them.<--possible stasisia so now I can see the strength of nietzshe as like a weapon, he is to be used against sovereignty as an intended corruption of their logos (re: "Caesar dressing for Caesar salad") ... in terms of familiar history he has also had very serious detentional effects also. --- but my own stasis remains... the pure-violence of non-intelligence. what bugs me most of all is that lack of consciousness that has the ability to be evil, without intention. Often this lack of understanding allows one individual (or a social agenda) to be completely brutal towards their fellow individual. That blindness of violence within the positivist logic, inside a false detentional logic. 00000 martial arts vs Shashankasana yoga thank you for answering my question so well, the question and answer game is a pleasant way to get to answers that are clear and robust and pushing forward. just like the ancient oriental wisdom that more and more seems as futuristic-thinking startrek technology and knicknack names...(re: sovereign class) but I do recognize the martial arts as a means of understand that is completely physical and violent. Akido is wonderful with its dancelike patterns. Just like a verbal arguement technique, the martial arts allow a rhythmic dialog of violence to be fairly en-acted. kick, block, punch, defence, twist, throw, .....deathblow. The trained combatant is literally working with violence as an act of discussion and depth probe for information where the aggressor must c onjure up their moves from an internalized vocabulary of deadly motions. _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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