Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:18:58 -0400 From: NZ <pretzelworld-AT-gmail.com> To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence there is no irony in my writing for you to judge, if you do then that is your choice to be exclusitory in terms of your precieved "conventional terms" (I am ignorant of this notion that you hold and in this way ignorance becomes just as blessed as intelligence) I would suggest that these conventional terms are not allowing to you see some very "normal" readings. Please don't be so deffensive of people who do not think like you - I have my own logos that is not like yours, so what, who cares? we still obey the same codes howerver and we can talk about the same subjects (and again, how come "I" have suddenly become your subject when we're already talking about another subject? is there something missing here, perhaps intimate physical contact? Is this the time/place for mental intercourse?) Wbenj was not a big fan of Nietsch or freud, read his "cult of capitalism" essays and see that I am not being a bastard contrarian, I am following through, trying at least to be consistant, with a discussion that Wbenj is having with philosophy back in 1921 (you should explicate what discussion you would like to be in b/c I assumed you are also along for the ride/fantasy voyage). Now I am seeing that, according to you, people, "conventional, academic educated" people have lost a great deal of their own logos(re: p.h.i.l.o.s.o.p.h.y) and they do not know how to talk about these subjects anymore because of detentional-logos (re:wooden-iron) , that would be a tragedy (if it was because of fate), but it is a comedy (if it was done according to intentional form/agenda). Even Neitsche would be able to see this difference bewteen the comedy and tragedy of long term agenda-making and the chorus (or lack of) plays a significant role by adding dimension, but where are they? are they just baffled? reading porn? (please don't complain to me about a lack of dimension on this subject, I am only one person) Freud tell us when we get angry with our logos we can do 3 things. The tri-part man can 1) do drugs and get saratonin into your brain, its an associative chemical that helps connect the logos in pleasing ways... 2) isolation, which is a polite way to say "shut up and leave me alone" and 3) sublimation, ie "submission to the cult of capitalism" (this is not my reading alone, it is not ironic, it is not literal even). Yes indeed, my reading of" interpersonal relationships" is strictly an issue with communicaion/logos and in-directly about internal aggression (which is directly about logos/anger) , perhaps the most 'normal" reading does not illuminate this point. I say yes to illumination, but hold on to the fact that "the path to illumination" is trapped within the tempo control of sovereign capitalist control, is it not constant with wben.'s critique of pure-violence? are we ready for a cyber-thetical debate between wben. and freud? --------- please note: spinoza -> helmholtz -> debord this is the chain that shows how debord's "spectical of society" can be percieved in spinoziastic terms, and answers the most basic literal question "why a spectical?" These so-called paradigm shifts are merely re-worded logos constructions used to dominate the tempo of philosophical narrative. I dont think it is a particularly clever or ethical approach to philosoophy, there is more behind what it conceals with words.... especially in the digital age, where domination of tempo is conflated with "technology" - can you see that the "breaks" of the ego onto the id.... the notion of "retarded" control as a basic agenda is exactly that, retarded. It does not contain divine-intelligence (re:locke on christianity) because it is an agenda of conservatism of experience. So when capitalists see Stalinist Soviets rushing thu industrialization they can label it "brutal" but the whole point of such a strategy is to "lessen" that brutalizing stage and gain tempo-control of fate, unlike the dogmaless-capitalist approach which perfers to "lengthen" the brutalizing process via retard-factor. this is the pure "divine-violence alloyed with the spectical" ... it is seen as a spectical because such a spectical is understood by spinoza's concepts of spiritual knowledge perception. _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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