File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0606, message 7


From: "nicholas lalvani" <nicholaslalvani-AT-hotmail.com>
To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:22:53 +0000
Subject: Re: [D-G] a close words to Nz and Jussi


Does the nomatic (nomadic?) android lesbian know any other languages? I ask 
beacuse the the following passage she ahs written in English is hard to 
comprehend or feel, an I wonder whether it is because she is having to 
translate from a forst language into English

"so things go in an order... after "g" comes "o" after it comes "d". to
understand the multi-dimetional meaning behind the linear text we
agree to be like bacon's spiders in the order we choose to follow g...
o.. d...  = d.. o..g... (it is a funny little rhebus-joke that oedipus
cannot laff at). so the order is important 1... 2... and 3... so freud
offers us #3, the totemized disney lifestyle-body narrative. if you
choose a christian god system like mohammad (630ad) or rumi you are
choosing to go to 3 also (hopefully its a conscious choice), back in
1600s the jewish spinoza could not oedipalize unconsciously so he must
convert from 2 t0 3, it is like mathematical conversion because of a
lack of imagination that you see going from 2.. to 3 a la xeno) of
course a lifestyle-body at 3 is not so different from a lifestyle-body
at the jewish 2... its just the language rhebus that is differently
coded, same messages but different codes...re: apple vs ibm... all
kinds of religous nutshells argue about what code conversion will
reveal the greatest god of infinate form (or which game render engine
is fastest) but its all just semantical bullux if you don't know what
the material valuated terms begin at.... (yes dialectical-materialism)
and as example the circuits formed by poetry, music, art and beauty
remind us of those terms... truely the power of 1st choosing what
circuits to actiavate and 2nd becoming conscious of the results (it is
not just one-I-eye node but two-eyed in-out node)... (and this is how
bergson's mono-universe often gets divided)"

Especially interested by what the 1........2...........3   
g.......o..........d   mean.

Thanks

Nick



>From: NZ <pretzelworld-AT-gmail.com>
>Reply-To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
>To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
>Subject: Re: [D-G] a close words to Nz and Jussi
>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:37:08 -0400
>
>hello, turkey is nice but samos is not there... (frowns at the
>apparent division)
>I do not like this conclusion but it will have to do for now...
>
>so stuck at 2
>boo-hoo
>ha-ha.
>
>-------
>
>the nomatic android lesbian poet reads this:
>----------------
>
>"in the dreams i made at this
>time, every uncertainty, every blank dots scurriing of the
>faith was punished by a destruction of my essence. it is like a closed
>circuit in which i was downcasted.
>"
>everytime i sleep in the night
>i find a shallow morning, always more or less shadows scattered
>completely helping me float under moonlight, full of breath
>the five of us hook our hands and look up
>"
>out beyond the ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing
>there is a field. I'll meet you there
>when the soul lies down in that grass,
>the world is too full to talk about
>ideas, language, even the phrase  each other
>doesn't make any sense."
>  ---
>the
>Poetry in motion on the B subway train going to Manhattan this morning
>featured Jelauddin Rumi (1207-1273) really great source for describing
>the power of connotive language values, the ciruit hinges upon a
>proper reading choosing whether to oedipalize or not
>often a innocent belief in a god (mono, dual, trinity even) can can
>create a lapse into solipsism (400bc) fourthly it is mystical shit
>like a disney-totemism
>
>the "god" unconscious-unselfaware solipsism is like being in a
>commedia scenario and not knowing what role to play except for the one
>that is given to you... like a penguin told to fly... ... auf
>deutsche: der hasen vs die carnichel.... also like the mormen lds
>church collects taxes and names for cola-heaven there is a kept
>identity directly connected to the external materialistic concerns of
>the church-body. so when the church-body disapeers and the
>lifestyle-body is assumed/presumed/prescribed, the  "soul lies down in
>the grass" (re: rumi) we begin to live oedipalized by the immanent
>narrative of our own solipsism (re: bacon's spider vs bee) fifthly, it
>is important to keep count of these mental generational levels
>othewise we become uncoun(t)sciouse of them (mostly we already are but
>we recollect bits and pieces and learn rotely or freely experience new
>ones too) this is how derrida can talk so much about nietsche's
>umbrella and becoming aware of scrambling the direrections is
>continued by habermas' project too... but all in all it must be
>reminded like in the shadow of poetry/art as DyG suggest at the end of
>"What is Philosophy?" (the detentional problem is putting it second as
>the shadow...)
>
>
>so things go in an order... after "g" comes "o" after it comes "d". to
>understand the multi-dimetional meaning behind the linear text we
>agree to be like bacon's spiders in the order we choose to follow g...
>o.. d...  = d.. o..g... (it is a funny little rhebus-joke that oedipus
>cannot laff at). so the order is important 1... 2... and 3... so freud
>offers us #3, the totemized disney lifestyle-body narrative. if you
>choose a christian god system like mohammad (630ad) or rumi you are
>choosing to go to 3 also (hopefully its a conscious choice), back in
>1600s the jewish spinoza could not oedipalize unconsciously so he must
>convert from 2 t0 3, it is like mathematical conversion because of a
>lack of imagination that you see going from 2.. to 3 a la xeno) of
>course a lifestyle-body at 3 is not so different from a lifestyle-body
>at the jewish 2... its just the language rhebus that is differently
>coded, same messages but different codes...re: apple vs ibm... all
>kinds of religous nutshells argue about what code conversion will
>reveal the greatest god of infinate form (or which game render engine
>is fastest) but its all just semantical bullux if you don't know what
>the material valuated terms begin at.... (yes dialectical-materialism)
>and as example the circuits formed by poetry, music, art and beauty
>remind us of those terms... truely the power of 1st choosing what
>circuits to actiavate and 2nd becoming conscious of the results (it is
>not just one-I-eye node but two-eyed in-out node)... (and this is how
>bergson's mono-universe often gets divided)
>
>developing the funny pun on skinner's body odor, DyG talk about BwO so
>as to show some of these circuits in everyday lifestyle and
>social-molding, family oedipalizing etc ultimately convinced of a
>bergson's 1 as opposed to platonic 2meta or freudian
>/chistian/capitalist 3... the topology of god is a pataphysical
>undertaking yet even this artistic zone has be reterritorialized and
>played out as post-modern irony, but it is not irony, it is a lack of
>common vocabulary because of a history of violent alienation...(yes
>dialectical materialsim again)
>
>divine-violence from a god that does not communicate with you cannot
>be love. the idea of "loving a god" that doen't love you back... this
>is not love... this is not even ironic love or unrequited... or
>"stalking" or "fucking"....  this is just the wrong vocabulary.... the
>communication with this god is not communication at all or "love",
>(giving circuit-money to a church) it is one-way broadcasting, like a
>spider-farmer sewing seeds (re: Color tv in 342bc), isn't it? (but
>notice that the "i" is the immanant plane itself not the broadcaster
>along the plane, like rumi above "lies down in the grass") sure the
>grass needs the farmer to feed it and the grass loves the farmer but
>that part occurs only after the 3rd level of solispsism and anyway the
>vocabulary of the word-road is not prepared to communicate such a
>distinction unless the subject has resolved the "and-i" vs "nor-i"
>crisis. then the shared language structure can be erected and
>interpersonal communication is made positive. unfortunatle the (and-i)
>vs (nor-i) is too often resolved by coded perceptions like punk rock
>disco fashions and rave-cheerleaders capitalist reptilean hierarchies
>that easily monopolize the grassy plateau keeping "grass roots" always
>at the bottom and "counter culture" always on top of the counter next
>to the register. careful not slipping, sliding on and off and
>maintaining a balance w/o selling out and w/o selling short, for the
>second class citizen, the point is like a silver pointy-point, so
>sharp at a point that it cannot be seen but it is there when it
>pricks.
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