From: "hwenk" <hwenk-AT-web.de> To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:34:25 +0200 Subject: Re: [D-G] the amiba message Hello Adline, In your poet, as In some Emails, I got the impresssion there is something like a struggle for acceptance. Another thing expressed is the effffect of social conflicts, described, - alittle bit in Deleuze and Guattar expression - as mental blocks. Also it looks like your want to say somethinhg about not to be oneself - artefact - even if the thinking and feeling and acrtinf is in one consiousness. To interpret more, the fear alone is something making us going away from oneself - art least alerted. Now this fear has something to do with the mental blocks and is often on the ground that people do not explain in a satisfactory - also in regard of the fear - way what they are doing or saying. It is often very hard to understand the other, especially when her or his expresions are a little bit short or hidden by lengthly discussons As poets often express their feelings and you are asking after second conciousness, I dare to interpret that it is on the ground on more or less actual experience. Now for the first, this is a observation I made often, I take you seriuos and therefor I discuss with you not on a padagogical level but on that which in my eyes is given by the issue under consideration and the eyes to see the problems. Probably I may be able to help you more than you think on the ground of personal exoperiences, involving narcistic damages and feelings of not to be valued and not to be understood. But refelecting a little, I know that some people obviously don't like to be helped as much as I think ans as I do it, on the griound obn feeling attacted or not being accepted or to stay on their own. Thus attitude has been very foreoign to me ever, if I got the feeling somene is able to help me I agree at once. But often under the cover of help there has not even been exploring what the problem may be and even the stating of the problem was negated as untrue as once. So some people often tell theyy know me and my problems better than I. That is so puzzling that I do not believe it and think by myself - how can ths man or woman go and think she knows better ebven if i have tokd little and he or she knows almost nothing about it?. Tht is not sober - not only if one is trained scientificly, but also if one os trained to sensivuty by othe means - as poetry for example. This is the reason why asked you tostate the state of your affairs - even concerning double conciousnes. This is not explained by Deleuze and Guattari but by neurobiology of the brain - something like projecting and dream like and independent structues of the brain coming in the projecting part - and emprically a little obscur described by very advanced yogis. Thes Yogis state it will vanish again. This maybe also tested in neurology and psychatry, but I am not aware where. Maybe you are also used to such a way "overrun you" and of looking at you, that you may identify what I am doing with that. That is totally not the case. But habits, especially habits of fear and lack of trust are very hard to overcome. Especially because I don't know what is hurting you by experiences not known to me. I have made very hard and bad experiences, which had also good times and ended up lucky - at very high costs of efforts an soul pains. Now I am concerned - not in a social profession, but as a attituted - with helping people, making things lucky and aslso sparing the soul pains and social conflicts. And often I am astonished seeing my help being refused by suffering people who must know that I am able to help them. This may be hard to believe. So far It maybe a good idea not to tie the selfacceptance to social acceptance. This is the usual way of bringing inner stress - the inner princess is no outer princess. This inner stress is more often tried to be produced by people surrounding one as it is neceesary or good. So far for taday - wish you a relaxed sunday. greetings Harald Wenk -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of adline vanlindenbergh Sent: Samstag, 15. Juli 2006 01:59 To: adline vanlindenbergh; deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org; deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org; james Cc: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] the amiba message Hello. Tonight the fear of artefact has been since three centuries a virus sent by a mysterious power we should all gather our tissues and wave together with courage sent back and forth a strongly fated generous goodbye escapes by our mouth to all our phantom tentacles finally at least recognize we don't know ourselves and fear to study the virus and if we can to enter such an intelligent tissue by the cornerstones of genetic morphing whithin transparent beef b/c of such & such components yet we cannot ask more can we? we re not 2be taken seriously only b/c soooooooo mmmmmentally retarded looks so much are we at perilous to endanger our unique specie ah ah ah atchoumread newspaper microfilm tv to discover each minute and encourage your parents & partners to do a mental block to do a mental block grab the fingers and write with poo on the sheet some metaphors like the previous contemporaraneous to this message faithful Adline VanlindenBergh -- adline vanlindenbergh bisouxnoursfast-AT-fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. 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