From: "hwenk" <hwenk-AT-web.de> To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:03:52 +0200 Subject: [D-G] Deleuze, the brain, subjectivation, phobias, rhizom and yoga Hello, There is a prominent place, where Deleuze and Guattraia refenre to yoga, that is on the mentioning of the Body without organs. As I told before, the main theme especially for Guattari is subjectivation, which are often and normally accompanied with a crisis, this is also some crisis in the brain where new cennections are made, due to produce new neurotransmitters. These new neurotransmittters and the new self or machimne involging the "I" process, the result of that subjectivtion, could be happy making selfamplifing stable and harmonizing with the rest of the brain, which would be a rhizomlike growing of the brain, or they could get inhibiting, prohibting, painful neurotransmittetrs, which make the former rhizom smaller. This is pointed to on pafge 22 of mille plateaux, "Rhizom". where Deleuze and Guattari cite Freuds "little Hans" where his rhizom is stolen, blocked, ending up in a phobia. Now the way out, to get your rhizom in your head not turned into fear, to be stable to happy, on a neurological level is: "The Body without organs" on the second or third third of page of it (mille plateaux p 187): "Why not walk on the head, sing with the sinus, see with the skin, breath with the belly, simple thing, anorexie, seeing skin, entity, f u l l b o d y!!!, travel on place, Y O g A!!, Krishna , Love, experiment." So there we are. The yogis are the only one who know how to control even the autonomous nervous sytem. They know that the only possibility to get in real contact with others is to have reduced the inner trouble so much that you are able to hear the other. This is my eyes is telling you something real important. Therer is no real use in talking of freedom, even ewith tehories which are feedom like, with underground fears and cinflicts hidden in the brain. I read a little Lyotard of the time the Anti-Odedpe was discussed ((about 1972). It is real astonishing what both Deleuze and Guattari had to bear on bad and also hurting critics, even from the left. As far as I remeber in the secocond edition, aklso in thegerman transaltion there is a remarkabit. There were even accused of being "fascistic". That was real too much. The answer was alos ith yoga. As long as we lnow about fscism in us it maybe not so evil. And wher is their fascism: "Did you do you yog aercercises today." Real fascistic - that s high selfirony. The accuser of fascism to them are ooften very less concious about their fascistic structures. A little bit it is the sam e with reading Deleuze and Guattari. They worked a lot, but mostly it seems some people think it has nothing to do with then m and we make some jokes and talk about other things. Thta is using high theory to very low needs. Like taking a computer only to hold a door open, where a stone had been sufficent. So you have to make something like the hardware of real commincation. And for a subjectivation, which especially Guattari sometimes liked to bound to group proceses, where a rhizom or a little machine happend liberating the peope by a group more than the people alone by connecting the selfamplifying sides of the inner machines or souls including the autonmous system and the unconcioussnes, caused by hormos, and neurotransmitters. The yogis are alo well aware of these processes and search the inner process from where you you can build up your rhizom further by overcoming the resistance of the painfulll inhibiting neurotransmitters, due to keep the fuction divison, also called present state of the organism. On a psychic level this has also something to do with overcoming interpretations of the outer and inner world strongly determined by fears or the past in general. But as affects need affects to be overcome you need some building up neurotransmitters to win against the painful ones. Or do you think they are no painful neurotransmitters nad this no real problem? The bad concious is also causing pain - by neurotransmitters. To yogis go so far as there is no need to suppress the getting concious of the effects of the hormpomns and neurotransmitters coming from the autonomous system, which is hard work, and only successfulll through long and efforting practice. But it is possible by known and also managable exercises - e.g. kundalini yoga. Thisis the reason I resist so much on it. People driven by unconcious fears will have a lot of difficulties to build up social relationships which are to to grow altogether and not to let grow the struggle with one another and within. Therfore it is good in yoga to make you exercices alone, undisturbed, even the experience of your voice by chanting something like "Om" the you can feel what a chest a heart is like-. Also singing is not bound to yoga, you can dispense singing "om" without any harm. Afte yoga, with more inner strength, clearness and solidtiy you can go and have some fun or further development or doing or thinking something useful without to much stress with others. And get a real master of yourself - which is much more difficult as it is thought to be. Yoga requisits very much honesty. Concerning sleep is to say, that there are a lot of causes, noises of course by pollution, inner and outer stress, exhaustion. Drugs as alcohol or so do not help really in too much dosis, the sleep gets even more flat. The sleeping medicin advices some disciplin in sleeping, solving the trouble, not to much informations including tv before sleeping, enough, relaxation from yoga, not to sleep to long at the weekend after sleeping to less in the week. The Dalai Lamai rightly says: "If the people only could deep relax, or even know somehow wherefrom whatever what real deep realxation is. The world would be of much more understanding. Maybe even the seller of and the producers of the the products you consum want to live on an economical stable level - how surprising. " Deep relaxation indeed makes more stable, healthy and is against fears. I like to add that especially Guattari found anticonsum campaigns a littl bit ridicilous and without any feeling for the desires of real living people. I looked in one of my medicin books: ketamin is a narcoticum used for chirugian operations, something like a hard chemical cudgel, they write the awakening after some dosis is horrible. So it is no good advice to take it without any need. Yogis prefer to do without such things. greetings Dr. Harald Wenk -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of .+oot3AM patient Sent: Freitag, 21. Juli 2006 17:40 To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] this has all be one big tease!! Thanks for the information, I will have to revisit the despot chapters of A-O and see what you are actually talking about, but if I recall correctly, most of those chap. are referring to the nature of "surplus value" and how the despot manages to milk it beyond mere physical territory... thus the "reterritorialing-agent" was born as a despot and so now the despotic attack is realized upon the plane of metaphysics, where the individual can be manipulated by the surplus-value of their knowledge and ignorance. "damn" those darn oriental despots!!! Gosh, if only someone could have recommended a good yoga instructor to saddam, maybe we wouldn't be in this horrible nightmare of history!! Of course I am just joking, but personally I am having trouble seeing why you must put yoga into the center of this discussion. I notice that no matter what the discussion is, you like to talk about yoga instead... is this really the place to talk about yoga? I am not clear how you keep linking yoga to D-G, I would like to be more clear. My point (re:"contratual remark") is that yoga does NOT faciltate the the NECESSARY connectiveness of rhyzoma activity, but instead yoga is part of the megamachine-agenda and its designs on the BwO. (but sometimes the coding is good.)People spend half their life sleeping, breathing and resting and dreaming.. all quietly natural w/o this yoga-agenda. these alfa-beta-theta states are all the aspirations of a yoga lesson yet why the lesson if the body will do this on its own? I am not against yoga, it is nice and good for folks and i have no question about that... One way to answer my question involves understanding why "natural sleep-state" is so difficult for millions of people, especially today 2006. There are as many pharma-drugs as there are yoga-schools that can help a person reach these states. The tibetian dali lama (who claims to be a devil from the 114th dimension of hell) has even gone so far as to say that "whatever means"(re:drugs vs yoga) it takes to reach these states is acceptable to him and his agenda, so you can see that the dali lama makes little distinction between yoga and pharm drugs. But that is devil from the 114th dimension of hell speaking. >From experience I know that Ketamin is an extremely intense drug to take that will help an animal-patient resolve their mind/body issues, and I believe it is 10x faster and deeper then any yoga experience. To see this distinction yyou really have to try both sides (multiple sides) before you can make this "fair judgement" that you want to reach. ------------- _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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