From: "hwenk" <hwenk-AT-web.de> To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:30:20 +0200 Subject: Re: [D-G] Tramway talks Hello Adline, to be honest, adline, in such situation, as produced by them, one get only a glimpse of gentle and satisfactory life. You did not speak with the tram driver nor to the boy. The satori or other mystical experience are bound also to hard sensewithdrawal and a mastering of ones own soul. By theory fantasy is a attempt to produce the wished reality also at the moment the "realization" maybe hindered. But things in this respect are very complicated, having much fantasy is also something living in ones own world, some "inner milieu" of good feelings. But is good to bound to this good feelings to social facts, which withstand social critics. If you are able to say, tell what you want, I like my fantasy interpretations. But in the moment you want to make social reality out of it, a film, a poem, a book, you are confronted with standards, expectations, skills and maybe money or relations or both to realize what you want. If you have the skills, things look not so bad, especially because this enables you to look for projects in the realm of your skills, withstanding social criticism which comes more often and sometimes more unfriendly than is good for ones own cultivation or soul. But with skills you are able to not care to much about it. So, learning to express oneself cultivated is a good art to build a stable inner milieu bound to associate other stabilizing inner and outer milieus. This is not done if such high experiences as satori are used in an inflantionary and destroying them downscaling way. It is comparable to ride bicycle for five minutes in a moderate everyday life situation and to say: "that is the way to win the tour de France." What would you think about such a person, if she is speaking somewhat seriously? The efforts to be made to get there are more than to become a first class professional sportsman or intellectual. already Spinoza regretted, that it fails so often. There is real difference to keep everyday live very low concerning gentleness, understanding and cultivation, especially the regulation of the relation aspect of communication is violated very often, often at most for people who very sensitive in this respect. There the combination of neurology and yoga, also refection science and any kind of expressing and cultivation helps. But so often you see a small flower and the a moment later some bisons are running over it. That is more than puzzling, don't you think so?. greetings Harald Wenk -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of adline vanlindenbergh Sent: Mittwoch, 26. Juli 2006 19:16 To: adline vanlindenbergh; deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org; deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] Tramway talks It happens on the street. The tramway today has opened its doors at a place it usually did never used to open the doors. [censcor Cut] watching her on the tramway as it stands by.throwed and nobody stops, the boy still talks with the driver. by a gentle art of discussion, the drivers changed, there was an other inpersonnal attitude nearly five minutes passed. the boy was having difficulties to explain . they were having this miserable feeble discussion. this made me think of nothing, yet it gave me some impression i was wanting some understanding what were they saying. but talking about Tramway was the rihgt place i found calcke in the seat formated within the vehicles fabrication.is not as this like zen attitude. a satori was looking I was yes for some satori, i was. worth mentioning! . is it a metaphor if i say the tramway talked to me. he was feeling the weight of Anna when she entered the satori experience. it was just an blinking illusion, but when I saw the Lights, the subtle acid yellow light in the brains/engines/mappemonde, i got experienced and took comfort. or assistance in the total absorpation in the belly of the Magnificient Old Instrument of joy in the streets.. -- adline vanlindenbergh bisouxnoursfast-AT-fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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