File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0607, message 49


To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:25:41 +0200
Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze


Hello,

the reason why I insist on yoga and neurology is that from
this point of view the theory and practice of
Deleuze and Guattari gets something like
understandable,  "body without organs" and "machine of desire" for example.
I a am  a little perplexed how the work and Guattari
is understood without understanding
the neurological background and these
fundamental concepts.
The strata of the brain are a little bit
more easy understood if related to
neurological happenings in the brain,
like sexual hormones giving more
feeling
for territories so on.
And the theory and practice of crisis and subjectivation
caused, expressed and selfamplifying by brain chemistry
is also fundamental for understanding.
So what I is understood of the "rest 250 pages" without that background?

Without understanding Deleuze and Guattari get
 the flair of something being
incomprehensible  by somewhat produced overturned intellectuals,
inventing a slang a little bit like Whithead.
In order to .. show that they are sophisticated intellectuals and that's it?
And nothing to do with one
own concrete life and that of others.


So, the neurological basis of our feelings as
they given are by neurotransmitters and their
natural harmonizing, refinement,
healing and their improvement by yoga, especially breathing techniques,
is in my eyes for a reading
that gains something from Deleuze and Guattari and develops understanding
related to the own situation
very important.

I am in this list for 2 years and no one ever mentioned these very
important neurological circumstances for the understanding.

And whatever with this list is, was, or will be, I am glad
that the membership in this list
has brought about by constant
reminding me at my arduous reading of Deleuze and Guattari to find
things and explanations that in my eyes are really valuable - for me and for
others.
It is far better and much more fruitful that it seems to be if one is
blocked
by notions and not known backgrounds.
But subjectivation, personal and social, refinement such as prismatic is
important,
especially for one self - including a better and more real, vivid,
understanding and feeling for
others and the world

>From the emails written in  this list I find mine the most
understandable, arguing, settling and pursuing the points.

There are some writing behaviors which in my eyes
hinder rhizomatic communication.

  To change the subject
with every second email, only to answer second order,
without response to the arguments,
even overrunning them - as if they never had been written -
no obvious or explained purpose of the emails,
name and text dropping,
specialist vocabulary without explanation.

It was Derrida who suggested something like a "ethics of discourse".
And this is in first thing the absolute rareness personal accusings.

And that means in my eyes, besides what is written above,
as open, as direct, self reflected, at most will of understanding
inclosing that to truth.
And to pursue things to a satisfactory state,
where a natural continuation is at first hand not to be seen.

As  I have pointed this out several times.
I am a little tired to do so once more.

greetings Harald Wenk


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Sent: Donnerstag, 27. Juli 2006 21:07
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Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze


there is a vague sort of "missing" going on here... and it is ok. In
the previous posts you have missed adeline's attempt at commitment to
effect the external world of the tramway and instead have pushed
deeper into the body looking to make your point about yoga. then you
wonder about the buffalo as if this is some irony. well it is, I am
glad you found a line from A-O about yoga, but one has to wonder what
the other 250 pages are about, certainly they go beyond yoga. I think
the vet, Crawdaddy, has made a very clear point that could easily been
missed which is that yoga (alone) cannot possibly help a person's roll
in Our rhyzome community. .. or even the terrible rhyzomatic
differances that we are all subjected to. maybe some of us have easier
lives then other's so maybe the internal dilemmas that yoga can effect
are the only dilemmas that need to be addressed. others of us must
face the external world 99.9% of the time and it is that spectrum of
reality that is problematic.

after yoga there is more.... how can adline do this yoga on the
tramway? Our brains are jelly, if we find nirvan during a yoga
experience, no doubt that in an hour later we have lost touch with
this expereince. The satori or a zen mentality is what adline is
asking about, is it okay, does it help? probably it would be just as
effective if one were doing the deadly art of capoeira on the tramway
car. I saw a man doing tai-chi on the subway and it was very odd. he
made people move out of his way and feel uncomfortable, it was funny
to see an ordinary looking gentleman completely ignoring all the
cramped people around him so that he could practice his kicking
excerzizes. some tourists were clapping.


Just this Monday, The vet, Dr.Crawbuddy, has asked me to read "On
Music" which is a conversation between deleuze and pinhas about "going
from 1-to-2" & Chronos vs. Aion. It is extremely interesting, I would
recommend reading it if you can. I will try to ask Crawbubble to share
the link with us so that we can learn from it... maybe tonight?
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