File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0608, message 15

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:15:44 +0200
Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze

Hello Mr. .+oot7AM martini

as a professional mathematician,
I have to  deny this statement of Mr. Sapolsky:

"The profession of mathematics, for instance,
is built almost entirely upon the creative breakthroughs of wunderkinder,
 and studies of other creative professions show a less extreme version of
the same pattern."

I don't know wherefrom  he gathered his informations concerning mathematical
but you have to be creative in mathematics to get a degree in this science.
Also the study of "normal science" in mathematics
as it is put by Kuhns distinction,
costs much effort because there are new ides in it to grasp.

And you have to invent the wheel only once and the lack of
inventions of such order is not to less creativity,
but that there not so much
real revolutionary inventions.

The subjective creativity and the objective creativity,
how it changes mathematics or other science may differ.

In mathematics you need sometimes enormous creativity to solve
very specialized problems which only a few other
specialist get acquainted with.

Mathematics has a very rare structure of
public discourse, very, very specialized.
This is a hindrance for sociologists or psychologist
to understand what is going on there.

So there is always an attempt to
find patterns in mathematical science which make it
easy to subsumed this science under a general
sociological view of science.

Fortunately for the progress of mankind this is to an
large extent not so easy as it is made.

Concerning Einstein I like to point out, that
he got his Nobel prize for
his breakthrough article on quantum theory,
applying the quantum hypothesis to photons.

He adhered to a statistical interpretation of
quantum theory, as the
proposal of giving up the concept
of "causality" for something
like "symmetry" and its breaking seemed to
him giving up the attempt to
understand the world,
which not only in his eyes is the heart of science.
Of course some people will argue that that was not the intention of
Bohr and Heisenberg, but Einstein thought it to be - in  my eyes on
some solid grounds.

Further it is to remark, that the problem he was working on in his late
a unified field theory - concerning electromagnetism and gravitation,
is still not settled in a satisfactory way.
I mention it because in the literature
more or less people say he could have gone fishing
- in such a way doubting his creativity -
after his publication of the general theory of relativity in 1915.
He died 1955.
This may go in such statements on "wunderkinder"
as quoted in the beginning.

There are some models  due to Kaluza and Klein
needing at least 5 dimension, so at least one,
time is counted as one,
has to be hidden, compactified
so tiny that it is les than the
relation of uncertainty allows.

This is of course contrary to common sense and experience.

In physics there are more candidates solving problems
with mathematical models not
amenable to empirical verification - needing more energy than the sun has
for experimental affirmation for example.

greetings Harald Wenk

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Sent: Mittwoch, 9. August 2006 07:54
Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze

Here are some various lectures by Robert Sapolsky that I have found.
they have helped me understand some of the various subtle parts of the
brain's chemical balance that actually touches on much of our
discussions generally. I realize that much of what we talk about here
is not broadly known and sounds rather esoteric and unconventional.
Sapolsky is very well known neuro-ethologist researcher who is a
lecturer also and he also loves Bob Marley too(!!). His research tends
to be regarded as a "scientification" of freudian psychology but he
has a knack for effortlessly bringing his scientific lectures into the
current political realm. Sapolsky's new book "monkeyluv" (sic,
wink-wink!) has some very interestig chapters regarding music which
should go very nicely with deleuze and pinhas. here:

All in all it is very enjoyable...
(this is going to be great, hold on here it comes...)

Robert Sapolsky
TTC - Biology and Human Behavior - Neurological Origins of Individuality
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

19. The Neurobiology of Aggression I.mp3
- notes for 19.
human subjects as species of animals
short term aggression stems from limbic centers
long term planned aggression from frontal cortex
confusion of sexuality and violence.
using buckets instead of terrible catagories
amygdala centers

20. The Neurobiology of Aggression II.mp3
 - notes20.
emotional behavior and the frontal cortex
the harder-thing vs easier-thing
shorterm cheap easy payoff vs long term payoff
Phineas Gage (1840s) and REM sleep,
late maturation of the frontal cortex,
dopamine rise, LTP, hold on here it comes! gratification postponment..
pension plans, environmental ethology for aggression
the harder-thing as violence

21. Hormones and Aggression.mp3
- notes for 21.
testosterone and estrogen, lorenz
violence caused by resource limitation
"behavioral fat" when aggression disinhibited
empathy (theory of mind)
socially taught aggression (harlow)

22. Early Experience and Aggression.mp3
- notes 22.
Kohlberg's stages of moral development, it might interest hwenk to
read about extreme "post-conventional" stages where the neurological
model falls apart (re: kirkagaard "being a christian consists of being
able to hold two contradictory facts in your head at the same time")
baboon's breeding a culture of non-aggression with female leadership.

23. Evolution, Aggression, and Cooperation.mp3
- notes for 23.
desert monotheism vs rainforest deism and hierarchical violence.
evolution and aggression, pseudo kinship band of brothers, us  vs
them, U.S. golf war propaganda, neuro-manipulation. beduin rituals and
the limbic system. female power ethology. the game theory of
evolutionary altruism.

12. Cooperation, Competition, and Neuroeconomics.mp3
- notes for 12.
i included this here to complete some of the Nash game theory
discussion that 23 leaves off with.
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