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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:48:42 +0200
Subject: Re: [D-G] FW: Carnival and Violence


Hello Dr. Crawboney

I am not polemical but realinterested what about subjectivation
in Trindad. Polemics in my eyes
abstracts mostly raw data -
tha means as direct reported
by partipicians.
I thinmk that salso a Deleuzian:
"I don't betray empirism".
The "worldof details" is a good antidot, a good care against
polemics and ideology.
This has a very deep and
heartly realation to people loving
truth and freedom - as Spinoza.
Therefoe in his days he tried inh his
"Tractatus Thelogico-Politicus" to root back the text of the
hol<y bible to the personal
psychic situations of the prophets and the historical of the jews.
In his days this was very offending
and dangerous.
I thimk beneath being a real sober
intellectual of metaphysics and
science this was also what let
even people like Einstein and Russell (in morals) admire him.
As it awas already mentioned in the mails in this list, there had been
an mob attack on Spinoza.
The attack on the monopol of interpretaion
of the holy bible by the priests and thologicans maybe also one of
the very direct and obvious reasons why they hatred him so much.

As Nietzsche put it afterwards, to give the bible to
philological critics, as Spinoza had done by largely accepted historical
opinion,
is to destroy the believe in holy books in the middle in long run.
This had indeed took place in the scientific community of the western
culture   - if the rooting back to Spinoza
is correct maybe a scientific question in itself.
That it was a dangerous start is more than likely.

But then the acceptance of holy books (Koran, Vedas, ..) has become  some
kind of very sharp shibboleth
for intellectuals of foreign countries and western intellectuals
sympathizing
with foreign cultures.
Maybe we shoul dwell on ths shibboleth a little bit more intensive an
deeper.
At the moment I see is also a little bit to fast and to deep cutting.
Deleuz adheres to Spinoza as the most far reaching theory of prohest and the
boble
(or Koran). This maybe indeed the case for western science,
but it  is more thna three hundred years ago and the knowledge about the
hunman soul has grown in western science.

And as Popper rightly in "The self and its brain"(with Eccles) remarked, the
science of parapsychology for example
has no real accepted results - in spites that
parapsycholgy is heartly believed in western culture by a lot of followers
for more
than hundred years and a science than more than 30 years.

This would have been empristic following of Spinoza - whith results
whatever.
So not settling the question of parapsyhology has become part of the
shiboleth regarding holy books and foreign cultures itself.
That is even political very intersting, as the struggle on ideas
is thrown back totally to the religious sphere - with christianism on the
western side.

But this has not been the case for science in the start at the times of
Spinoza.

But that is not the side believed by the western scientific community.
Western scientific community makes culturasl studies, trying to be something
like neutral.
But there is nor real scientific explanation on the ground of the neutrality
but implicitly refusing for example parapsycholgy
and making normal neurology  out of mysticism.  At least the last point is
strongly tried.
Thius maybe also a new line, but itpoints back to neurokogy, the brain and
subjectivation.

But so far for today.

Greetings Dr. Harald Wenk


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overcoming vulgata

in an effort to leave that  polemical plateau where children become
the subject of racial analysis let me throw wenk another fishng
line.... so that the real sharks can feed on the zombified brains of
boys and girls who have not bothered to learn their grandmother's
tongue. We have 6,000 spoken languages on our planet, mostly
equatorial. One becomes extinct every 2 weeks... but, lemme get backto
 my point, distractions.


here is a review of a new book on spinoza and political theory:
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/goldstein06/goldstein06_index.html

brockman's edge.org, and indeed most of brockman's efforts for the
last 30 years are extremely interesting and truely problematic. (his
wiki-bio also reveals a unique perspective on the 60's
anti-counter-culture and how because of him it has grown into today's
consumer crazy  "Wired Magazine" lifestyle-technologies, similar to
the tel quel trajectory from foucault.) With the unwitting help of
some of the biggest names in the science community (dawkins minski,
dennet etc...) he has fashioned an almost believable notion of a
"third culture" that presses onwards, blindly, yet with the blessing
of an imaginary clear conscious. I don't really understand it myself,
but, in this review of goldstein's spinoza book it can be seen that
the limits of reason are at once tied to the inverse limits of ethics
- does goldstein (et brockman, etc), do they,  actually summon the
anti-spinoza, or can spinoza really be credited for fashioning this
so-called "ethics of ignorance", an ethics which has gone on to assist
the lockean project which limits perception to the vocabulary of
reason, a childish digital-vocabulary, cute and harmless and under-
developed, a vocabulary of "digital choices" vs "physical spectrum",
it becomes oedipal and as such it is guided by some bizarre parental
equatorial narrative.??? does this not undermine the very (in)tention
of reason, or can reason, like a voodoo ("to overcome racialist
ideology" via spain 1492), provide that unique mechanical form that
allows the BwO to flow beyond its own (de)tentional zones ?? It sounds
like a silly game to lure faith under a rock and away from the living
fire.


----
note, see wiki entry on "oriental despotism" for more about equetorial
racist ideology from ancient greece...

also note, I have updated the wiki entry for "wooden iron" in there is
a discussion forum where our differences can be battled out, a'la
mech-warriors who cannot "die" because they are not living.
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