To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:35:56 +0200
Subject: Re: [D-G] Carnival and Violence


Hello Mr. rumgin,

to get a little bit Deleuzian-Guattari  molecular by
direct experience:
What does the public discourse of the professional police, psychologists and
judges concerned with them say about the increasing of murders in Trinidad?
Some fights between organized criminal bands or something like that?

I think also, the melange of Caribbean life, carnival, voodoo cults
and capitalism is at best seen wit personal experience,
in my eyes it has a lot of sensual, affective and historical
aspects, which are only to be analysed with that
background.
Lots of lots of strates, psychological, affective, social,
economical ... .
To put it with Marx:
"You always have to have the image of real
life in mind if you do science (of man)."

Therefore, I see no real apriori
theory as the framework of the wide flexible
strata notion,
to be filled wit intellectual life.

And second, this notion as refinements maybe only of real need,
if the commonly used one are to
bad fitting for the question on issue.

greetings Harald Wenk


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Subject: Re: [D-G] Carnival and Violence


hello, my feeling is that it would be worth starting from the specificity of
the violent acts-what kinds of crime are committed and against whom most
often? if they are murders what kind of murders? i was intrigued by the
cutting up case-almost like scattering the limbs of Dionysius and then
parcaeling them up again. The war machine is a useful frame of analysis as
is the rhizome-if one kills it off in one articulation it will replant
itself elsewhere. it is thus not necessary to establish a relational content
specific link between capitalism and the specificity of the crimes-this
would return it to an arborescent schema but it could be possible to map the
crimes geopolitically, that is emerging in an intersection of forces
hope that helps
ruth.c

Sloughing one's skin.-The snake that cannot slough its skin perishes.
Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they
cease to be spirits (Nietzsche: Daybreak:V:573)


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From: Dylan Kerrigan <rumagin-AT-aol.com>
To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: [D-G] Carnival and Violence
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:16:06 -0400

Recently i have been studying Carnival in Trinidad and Tobago - its
history since the late 1700s through the 19th century and emancipation
when the streets became more violent into the 20th century where after a
long creative period of design inspired by the birth of a new nation the
profit motive swept in and transformed the festival into a highly
sexualised and charged performance where the older ways have been
forgotten and MTV is the preferred image to reproduce.

At the same time i was forced to note the excessive levels and crime
experienced daily on such a small island. With a population of
1.3million they have already had over 250 murders for the year so far.
Guns are prevalent and some of the violence itself has borders on the
performative - recently a body was found chop into various parts and
buried in buckets.

How would Delueze and Guattari bring Carnival and Violence into
conversation. Could they? What would their machines, there productive
metaphors say about it. Perhaps that Carnival on the surface presents
joviality and jouissance, but also hides the production of more violent
undercurrents which at other times bubble to the surface and actually
result in physical harm.

its just a thought im struggling with because i would like to pursue and
research the conversation they have with each other, and i'd like to do
it using a deleuzian attitude.

I lean toward thoughts of an intersection between capitalism and
carnival  - i think to pursue once again and no doubt not for the last
time Capitalism and Schizophrenia. Do others think this foolish. Im
sorry if anyone feels this email is off point. That was not my
intention. I would be interested to hear anyones thoughts on this or on
Deleuze and Violence, Deleuze and Carnival more generally.

Thanks

rumagin
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