Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:03:15 -0500
To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] Yoga psychology is a very fine analysis of brain


Harald,

What do you make of D&G's mentions of the "Tantric egg"?

james

On 2/12/07, hwenk <hwenk-AT-web.de> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I find it worthwhile to mention, that the psychology of yoga, as laid down
> in Patanjalis yoga sutras and texts on kundalini yoga, are a very fine
> description of
> states of conciousness, the interaction with the sub- and unconciousness,
> the building
> if circular mental patterns (vrittis), which may be relateded to traumata or
> thoughts coming
> by themselves, analysis of dream states and also the fancy (delirs), wrong
> knowledge (including hallucinations).
>
> What is also striking is the theory of the mantal frame, the change of
> the essence of the mind, like the growing from child to adult.
> This is done by the theory of chittas, which are a chain of
> "I" concsciousness. There are  severeal layers or strates of conciousness,
> including on for self esteemm and on for logical thinking (manas).
> There is also an phase transition if the neocortex take sover more activity
> by
> dominaring things through elctrical activity and not so much
> neurotransmitters (buddhis).
>
> This has to do with subjectivation through deep crisis, and the subjective
> processes accompanied with it,
> what is laid down only in these texts. Other texts concerning advanced
> processes of subjectivation out of
> more mystical traditions have no such obvious connections
> to our western well estalished, materialistic neurobiology.
>
> It is easy to explain in a sociological framework, why these knowledge
> became esoteric and marginalized and is mostly
> still bound
> to religious discourses. It simply hinders it wide spreading, letting such
> the social system or the strates intact.
> The tantric Buddhist, having institutionalize sthese knowledge and practces
> werew
> also swept out of India
> by the orthodox brahmins in an counterreformation against Luther and
> protestantism remindimg manner.
> In spreading to more far east, the tantric tadition, which si some older
> name of form of yoga,
> was not overtaken so fully and mostly neglected, eeven in monastaries.
>
> I am a little bit puzzled, that there seem to be no interst in these
> coincidations with yoga psychology,
> not by the neurologists and also Guattari (Deleuze was for sure bo
> neurologist) and othe ranti psychatrists.
> For short, not even by critical scientists. This is more than puzzling,
> as the search for an alternative to neuroleptica was one of
> the starting points of the movement of Antipsychatry.
> This search itself brought psychanalysis
> and psychtherapeuthic cures into critique,
> because the treatment of psychosis was obviously with to
> little success in real healing.
> Psychosis was the starting point of Lacan, who
> inaugurated the work of Guattari who adopted this and lead to the
> collaboration
> with Deleuze.
> As you all know, psychosis became the starting point of the whole Deleuze
> Guattari theory of mind.
>
> At last, the in India calle dkundalini is also present in the first pages
> of the Ant-Oedipe - it is nothing else than the divine "numen".
> But there is also no reference - not to kundalini, not to chinese chi, not
> to something else in this direction.
>
> For what is yoga - "an ensemble of practices".
> Of course you can make an intelligent election ever day.
> There is also progress by abstraction.
>
> greetings Harald Wenk
>
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