File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0703, message 14


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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:12:57 +0200
Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze, electronic music and Deleuzian theory of body


Hello Dr. crawboney,

As I read the discussion with Pinhas, I got the impression
without the reading of the - recommanded by me: "The ritornell " and
"beocming intensive" in mille plateaux
it is very hard to understand.
If  I read further "How to make a body without organs" in mille plateaux,
from all ensembles of practices handeled there,  which are drugs, also with
Castaneda, Masochism in a very hard form,
chinese tantra and a short mentioning of yoga, yoga seems to be the the far
most attaractive and elaborated.
It is also the most safe with chinese tantra, which is only increasing
sexual pleasure.
The others are dangerous up to loosing health to life.

Concerning drugs I like to mention, that there are also hallucinatory
experiences without drugs,
but they seem often to be positive, often in religious affairs,
and if negativ more transitory. The drugs seem to have a tendency
to stop something and hold it, making this strata hard,  on the stage on
negative voices and feelings also on
a hallucinatory level.

A beautiful sunday

Harald Wenk

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Hi,

I would recommend tracking down the informal talks between Deleuze and
Pinhas from 1977. These talks are great, since Pinhas' electronic
music project Heldon inspired such direct implication for the
discussion.

However, about these particular papers... they seem to be gone from
Pinhas' webdelzeuze.com, they are fine translations, I hope they are
not gone for good. [If they are found could you please post a link for
me in this email-list, thank you.]

So, here is another link to the 2nd part of it... but its really the
first part that sets up the disscussion around a standard
dialectical-materialist frame and what follows in part 2 is of more
the same, its great.... the "pulse" which territorializes the aion
flow of the dancer's experience is explained in part.
These 3 main modes of territorialism, incl. collage, can be found in
modern electronic music and linked to blacksmith's who forged
instruments for Handel's brass compositions.

Deleuze & Pinhas discussion on music:

http://www.uam.es/ra/sin/pensamiento/deleuze/onmusic.htm

- (look on google for a better copy maybe?)


-> Somebody wrote a paper about it here:

http://www.echo.ucla.edu/Volume3-Issue1/smithmurphy/deleuze_and_guattari.pdf
.

Also, I think hwenk is about ready for a major tantric experience
regarding uncontrollable bodily functions for dancing. Even some of
the most individualist thinkers like to get up off their seats and
dance to the funky beats. We are never alone and we are never silent
(I am speaking for all yogi masters here) and it is a real question
about the particular yogic life of the rhizome, it is very imaginable
isn't it? I think even Spinoza encouraged the individualist thinker to
seek identity with the social body, this is the simplicity of
hegemony. hwenk's business with the yoga self is such a very external
experience where we all participate here; its pushing and pulling
muscles, a way to create a social body, mostly because of this tantra
tantra.

der crawboney
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