File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0703, message 5

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:33:40 -0700
Subject: [D-G] indulgence and freedom

Hi Harald

what do youu think about freedom and indulgence?
Do you think the freedom of the senses to indulge can overtake a line of 
flight and mire it down in a plateaux of ecstasy?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hwenk" <>
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze, electronic music and Deleuzian theory of body

> Hello Andrija,
> concerning the use of freedom there is a classical song in electronic 
> music
> which handles the theme in an aestehetic, dramatic manner:
> "The house of the rising sun", most popular in the version of Eric 
> Bourdon:
> "Oh mother, tell your children, not to do, what I have done .. .. "
> Where the ruinous aspect of the (ab)use of freedom is emphasized.
> There are a lot of famous musicans who destroyed their lifes by use of
> drugs, also they were famous and had a lot of money.
> It is like driving your "Merceds Benz" (Janis Joplin) against a wall.
> For "You don't know what the body is able to" - Spinoza - without drugs.
> Yogis know.
> Concerning drugs like ecstasy, Deleuze nad Guattari
> look at the "yellow liver" and "the dealer" and see and
> empty body without organs produced by these drugs.
> This is in thousand Plateaux: "How to make a Body without organs."
> The they admire Henry Miller as he described to have drugged himself by
> drinking a lot of water.
> In my eyes and experience yoga breathing techniques done for a few hours 
> are
> much more
> bound to give you feelings of your brain and body which let you forget all
> about drugs.
> Instead the offer of a cigarettte may look like something like an attack 
> to
> your  body and brain feeling.
> Now, as a lot of Indian sects know a lot about religous trance I think 
> they
> will simply deny that
> rave with ecstasy has something to do with it expect abuse of words.
> Concerning music the reference is "About the ritournelle" in Thousand
> plateaus,
> and "Becoming Intensiv, becoming animal" also there.
> If you seek literatur about Deleuze and Guattari: There is a little
> bibliography in:
> "Gilles Deleuze and the theater of philosophy" edited by Constantin V.
> Boundas and Dorothea Olkowsk, Routledge, New York 1994.
> greetings
> Harald Wenk
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> []On Behalf Of
> Andrija Filipovic
> Sent: Donnerstag, 15. Marz 2007 21:36
> To:
> Subject: [D-G] Deleuze, electronic music and Deleuzian theory of body
> Dear Harald,
> Sorry, but I can't help you in both respects.
> As you may already have been advised by - in your eyes by too many - 
> people,
> such a thesis without personal experience is not very fruitful and 
> personal
> experince with such hard drugs are strongly not to advise in my eyes.
> Experience of electronic music does not necessarily include consumation of
> psychedelic drugs. Although some may take them at the psy-trance events,
> this is their own choice and thus is not mine to question their decisions.
> However, I find the aspect of psychedelic drugs as enhancers of aesthetic
> experience a very interesting one, especially when considered together 
> with
> the dance and what Jose Gill has to say about it in his "Metamorphoses of
> the Body" and James Landau in his essay "The flesh of raving: 
> Merleau-Ponty
> and the 'experience' if ecstasy" which can be found in "Rave Culture and
> Religion".
> I was looking for recommendations on theory of electronic music through
> Deleuze's terminology and, if available, theory of experience of such 
> music
> within the same conceptual field.
> Andrija
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