From: "hwenk" <hwenk-AT-web.de> To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:12:19 +0100 Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze, electronic music and Deleuzian theory of body Hello, my insistence of yoga instead of drugs is very simple. It is a tested and very healthy sytem of practices free to ones own chice eb?ven in the details which enhance intesities and stabilize body and mind and is also bound to treat very hard and complicated cases and mental crisis. Including the mental irregulities which in western culture are mostly treated by psychatries with very hard and suspicious medical drugs. So it is a solid background and backbone of mental and physical health and processes of subjectivation. It is also not `Logcentristic`and `Eurocentristic`. It is also very emprical by direct perception of effects. It is also ver ecolgical - the last writings of Guattari are concerned with an ?ecosophie`. It is open to personal freedom as much as possible - except that taking away the cause (the practice of exercise) is taking away the effect (the benefit). You even dance better with yoga than with drugs. It is indeed almost impossible to share the experience of the benefits of yoga without practicng it. It is also not possible to share the intellectual progress induced by a book without reading it. The benefits of yoga include developemnt of social compatible virtues (Niyamas - honesty, peacefulness, cultivation of sexual desires, greedlessness). The greates benefit is indeed mental stabiltity and enhancing feelings and thinking. So, the more I think about it and look at the experiences including my own, I am more than puzzled that Dleuzer and Guattari did not propagat more instead th euse o fdrugs, And if they missse to do so, why do the following intellectuals not do so, in spite of often phisiphizing on `the body` the body mind problem`on neurobiology and so on. Also regarding the eminent role of drugs of any kind in everday life. Even the `dispositv of prison` and the crimnals is much feeded by selling and consumption of drugs. Did Marx not spreak of religion as "opium for the folks". What about the original opium? Spinoza, also reported to have had the behaviour of a saint, was almost killed by a riot and banished by an awful decret from the jewish community in Amsterdam. He was so much hated that Oldenbourg, the secretary of the Royal Society in London, tried to protect him in spite he did not share his views. A nowadays `materialistic`analysis would notice that he bothered too many people, especially the theologicans, in their material interests. The behavior and the arguments of these theologicans were often much less social compatible. The argument ?ad hominem?- that is personal attack, was widely usaed against him. Of course with less care regarding the niyama honetsy or truthfulness. `Give the dog a bad name and then hang hum up`. Personal attacks are also used nowadays sometimes, wher a `niyama`social compatible style is often resonpoded by far less virtue like attacks - including instistance of an already given `social compatibility`. Spinoza inaugurated a text critical bible reading and a non personal god metaphysics - taking away two cornerstones of theological, especially the institional offical church doctrines, intellectual power. As Deueleuze and Gauuatri started from the body, the simple question is how to make the best out of it including the question how to overcome mental illness like schizophrenia. In course of the scientific and technical optimism Deleuze and Guattari set a lot of hope into drugs. There had been a lot of expereiements with psychedilic drugs like LDS (which is visual halluciantora contrary to schizophrenic hallucanotry experiences, which are in general more auditory - remarked Merleau Ponty in the `Phenomonolgy of Perception` ). The inspiration of Deleuze and Guattari was tat in a way the growth of the brain by biological growth process and mental learning has in psychosis a high level, which make it sinilar to very intensive phasis of subjectivation like crisis for normal people. The tragedy for the schizophrenics is that this process is stoppped and Deleuzes and Guattaries inspiration was to say one has `to go further"`, to carry on that ``schizophrenic process" of more and more intensites and growing of the brain. This growing of the brain and highr intensities are also there at normal people, at a minor extent. Therer are often crisis amd moods of depression or changes of mood. Times when one is very vulnerable for example. Deleuze and Guattari hoped that the medical drugs, neuroleptica, would hinder the schizophrenic to get catatonic or to come to some breakdown (the cite Laing that: ``The breakthrough does not come down to a breakdown".) Now everyone knows, the most schizophrenics try to avoid the medical drugs, because the drugs do notthing else than ``stopping the schizophrenic process". On the other hand, the danger of catatony is not so great regarding the mass of people treated with these drugs. So people are hold back in their development because of risks, which are not there to a wide extent. If they woul do intensive yoga this would be far better. A third thing is that the chemisitry of the brain is so complicated, that the neuroleptica used at the time oun the 60ies and 70ies and even nowadays are very primitive compared with that. It is like to repair a microprocessor with a sledge hammer. Indeed there is no drug free treatmeant of schiziphrenia in offical psychatrie. That is more tha to regret after the movement of Antipsychiatry. You may know that also depression is more and more tried to heal with medical drugs. So drugs are some kind of ``easy way" which of course for the brain does not function. Another starting point of Deleuze and Guattari was the weakness of psychanalytical methods in healing mental illness. This is still the case. Here yoga and body driven techniques are a way out. The use of drugs is very very popular and common. In over 90 per cent the doctor does nothing other than to give you advice and a recipt for a drug and the drug is taken. As I mentioned in an earlier email, in the use of neuroleptica especially the dopmin reaction in the forehead is dimished which leads to a loss of orientation regding ``stratetic" thinking"! This makes the schizophrenics more easy to trick - which indeed is actaully done! It is so bad that they are even more complicated tricked as their being trickable is smelled out. This comes also because, as Reich had remarked the richness and creativity - which made Guattari loving the schizophrenics - are closer to the desires of the uncouncioussnes is often experienced as a danger by other people which they try to avoid. So schizophrenics are more attacked and get less defense because of the medical drugs - including the loss of social status and intellectual abiliteis. The medical drugs make the more coarse, more down to animal instincs - like hunger, thirst and raw sexual desire. Also the metabolism is changed, so th awater is incorporated making them thick. This is accompanied with a diminshing of the connections to the fine neocortecx structures. In other cultures, not only in yoga, ther are also techniques in sufi orders and schamanistic techniques, which treat ``schizophrenic process" and indeed carry it further on without ending in catanoy. It is also ecological to do it without chemistry. In spite there is a big discussion on ``Logocentrism" and ``Eourocentrism" the simple intelligent choice of suited also non linguistic, namely physical body techniques from other cultures is not made or emphasized also they are tested in very long and wide terms. Best greetings Harald Wenk -----Original Message----- From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of .+oot8am wakeup Sent: Montag, 19. Marz 2007 02:55 To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze, electronic music and Deleuzian theory of body Hi, I would recommend tracking down the informal talks between Deleuze and Pinhas from 1977. These talks are great, since Pinhas' electronic music project Heldon inspired such direct implication for the discussion. However, about these particular papers... they seem to be gone from Pinhas' webdelzeuze.com, they are fine translations, I hope they are not gone for good. [If they are found could you please post a link for me in this email-list, thank you.] So, here is another link to the 2nd part of it... but its really the first part that sets up the disscussion around a standard dialectical-materialist frame and what follows in part 2 is of more the same, its great.... the "pulse" which territorializes the aion flow of the dancer's experience is explained in part. These 3 main modes of territorialism, incl. collage, can be found in modern electronic music and linked to blacksmith's who forged instruments for Handel's brass compositions. Deleuze & Pinhas discussion on music: http://www.uam.es/ra/sin/pensamiento/deleuze/onmusic.htm - (look on google for a better copy maybe?) -> Somebody wrote a paper about it here: http://www.echo.ucla.edu/Volume3-Issue1/smithmurphy/deleuze_and_guattari.pdf . Also, I think hwenk is about ready for a major tantric experience regarding uncontrollable bodily functions for dancing. Even some of the most individualist thinkers like to get up off their seats and dance to the funky beats. We are never alone and we are never silent (I am speaking for all yogi masters here) and it is a real question about the particular yogic life of the rhizome, it is very imaginable isn't it? I think even Spinoza encouraged the individualist thinker to seek identity with the social body, this is the simplicity of hegemony. hwenk's business with the yoga self is such a very external experience where we all participate here; its pushing and pulling muscles, a way to create a social body, mostly because of this tantra tantra. der crawboney _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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