Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:00:06 -0700 To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] I guess jnach is a robot who projects information w/o any circuitry for dialog. I agree with this kind of one-way "projection" of opinion, even at the sacrifice of dialog, since there is so much projected media already I thnk its hard for people to keep pace with a real dialog circuit. The projections of jnach are very much on target, shooting down many false leads that attract genuine fraternal needs of communication. The alienation itself produces this kind of "voltage" that attracts certain populations to systemic outlets. The process can be slow, that process of severing an identity with a virtual computer dialog. I always hate how the computer territorializes our time from immediate physical bonds, an entropy that manufactures diversity. I do enjoy our dialog hwenk, its just I try to consiously ration my personal investment to this virtual reality. Toqueville's critique of the republic's experiement with democracy in america is outstanding, he can percieve the crow's feet around the eyes of an infant. The manufactured diversity in catagories of govt is a bonefide strategy for survival. I would never conflate govt/empires with the people they territorialize and I would disagree with Gibon who saw the fall of rome to be some kind of vitalist demise due to metaphorical "plague". Toqcovilla is good at keeping vitalism out of his frame, allowing a more mechanistic paradigm to develop. I think also because he is an outsider he doesn't "take it personally" and so he doesnt take his critique to the 3rd degree, leaving it at the 2nd allows for the reader to integrate his perceptions into their own 3rd, providing much enlightenment in those spaces he leaves empty. To refer back to that east-west momentum, I think the same goes with Ballard's pov of porn. Simply coming from beyond the west allows him a less-personalized account of it. The need for govt/empires to territorialize people stems from the very basic fact that women give birth. That sabine ethics is required is my own personal explaination, but at least it makes a lot of sense that "solo acts" of porn are born from systemic mechanisms and not vitalist ones. To me, that indicates that there are many unexplained steps between "labors of love" and "labors of masterbation" that would help Ballard's pov fit with D-G. Basically those steps would involve the territorialization of mental space, and that step becomes possible only after the "vitalist social identity" has been ruined, leaving an alienated subject by themselves with a bunch of pixels. That subject is the same subject DeTocquevlle encountered during his tour of the american experiement. -cb _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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