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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:51:25 +0200
Subject: Re: [D-G] its


Hello, Dr. cb


> I read some books on the differences of east-west neuro-linguistics
> and they mainly describe a difference of being able to comprehend
> subject vs context. it is largely "context" which eastern minds are
> better trained to comprehend b/c of specific written language
>variations that have been adopted and used to limit BWO.  Written
>language BWOs provide a "speed limit" because being "set in stone"
>doesn't change as fast as our emotional hormone levels do and so 5
>years after our temper tantrum we are stuck with old useless emotional
>connections for other people to learn from. But literature plays an
>important role in keeping our identity social besides taking up brain
>real estate.  There is far more to communication then non-verbal or
>even shared words and semiotics. there is research in Huntington's
>disease clearing showing personal olfactory "disgust" to be wired to
>the same jello-glumps that percieve the facial microexpressions in
>someone who is disgusting.

I just read in "Chaosmose" (page 60),
that  the the insive machines, made of expressive
autopoetic psychic matter (ontologic constance), traces
of expressive matter,
has non discursive, self-speaking, self-valuating
cores.
I think, this is what you refer to.
There is a lot of "psychic life" which is
capable to a lot, but does possoibly not
fit not to the circumstances.
So, it maybe no wonder, that in the east
these life goes strongly within,
into meditation, also into
"chanting", religious singing.


In general one has also a much better or
more intsive awareness,
withthe aspect of feeling and seeing
more the whole situation,
the "context", the deep relations actual present,
especially regarding persons - a sense for social
interaction, loves and hates,  hurtings
and  feeling together, joy.
This sense is also called "the psychic sense".
In my experience it is not only the right hemisphere but some kind of
normally not so much rleased neurotransmittres or not so intensive recepted,
indicating more connections to the limbic system and maybe
even to the brain steem, of the neocortex.
This psychoc sense  also senses,  in a practical and existential way, to the
whole world and being, becoming "mystical".
In mediation there is also
a tendency away from words,
from contens of thinking in general.
You have to drop the last object of meditation at last.

On a neurlogical level
the deepest unconcious states, deep dreamless sleep
and even  apparent death
are valued as the refugium of the "atman", the real core of the soul.
This states, also trance, which you seem also refer to, are tried to fill
with consciousness.



But f you are able to such an "autonomy",
you can overcome a lot of  hostileness
and becoming more creative and capable
of better relation.
But, as you point out right, it is
very difficult, to keep the interction
on the level what is social capabel regarding
intensities. To much "truth" or intensity,
must not be  dramatic,  seem hard to
bear for some people - which leads to "dramatics".
That is an old topos, often claimed and almost at once refuted,
 but it is still real, and 68 was a more
collective
shining of more intensity.
A "flux".
I am  more a 78er, taking up that flux,  and had more to do
with making some consitsent, stable
social and personal everday practicable, keeping the intensity, out of it.
In this respect there has been, at least here in
Germany,  more but sometimes other, achieved than
I expected.
That lacks a bit in the  east, where
at last religiuos monastries grow out
of
the impulses of intensities and fluxes.
This is also a way of stabilzing it, building an "inner milieu",
but it is a hard cut, and a milieu
which is related to the rest  of society,
especialy science,
in a not so splitting way,
avoiding also ritualistic
rigidity, would be preferable.
But religion in general, also yoga, is well integrated
in eastern societies.

It is curious,
that all people of
such a flux,
seems including both of us,
sometimes even personal,
have the impression,
to have to start from the beginning,
to create their "forms", their expressions,
for their intensities and fluxes new.
After such a long time of human mankind,
as scientific and technical minded, i am a little bit disappointed about
this
not real solved everlasting problem.

The new forms  are creative, but split
against the fluxes before,
also trying to integrate them.
Or to go back to the original, to the roots....
It also gives possibly rise to new hostilities
and rigidities.
No new religion, but a new ... surhuman, ...., ???

Here in the west,
the "high intensity" way to
the monastries has been
rueled out.
So it became social and political again,
and now?


greetings

Harald Wenk



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poststructuralism has really slowed down, reached a few deadend even,
but I imagine the east has some fantastic ways of integrating western
wisdom, but since we're over here and their over there its hard to
work though chinese semiotcs, we're so tied to our land we cant even
read from a distance.

>> there is a lot of freedom concerning rhythums
>> and contents of human thinking and feeling,
>> leaving more and more the bonds
>> of biological heritage

I'm not sure we agree yet, I'm not sure about the semantics of "leaving".
I agree that the "rhythums"/thnking/feeling are some of the contents.
And that these contents are leaving the body. I would like to describe
a rhetoric that could drum out these contents. Leaving the human
behind, and that without these contents the body must continue blindly
operating like headless frog still able to catch flies. should the
biological heritage belong in a museum, or under a brain of citizen to
globo corp?

I read some books on the differences of east-west neuro-linguistics
and they mainly describe a difference of being able to comprehend
subject vs context. it is largely "context" which eastern minds are
better trained to comprehend b/c of specific written language
variations that have been adopted and used to limit BWO.  Written
language BWOs provide a "speed limit" because being "set in stone"
doesn't change as fast as our emotional hormone levels do and so 5
years after our temper tantrum we are stuck with old useless emotional
connections for other people to learn from. But literature plays an
important role in keeping our identity social besides taking up brain
real estate.  There is far more to communication then non-verbal or
even shared words and semiotics. there is research in Huntington's
disease clearing showing personal olfactory "disgust" to be wired to
the same jello-glumps that percieve the facial microexpressions in
someone who is disgusting.

IT is quit possible that poststructuralism will meet its downfall,
itself. Shear fear of the possibility would render incredible
self-awareness only to expediate the downward spiral. '68 was a big
year everywhere. AT which point the east picked it up and ate it whole
- hopefully it wont be poison.

I hear the prez WBush will not concider meeting auto emission
standards until China has done so. To me, this indicates which way the
wind is blowing in poodleville.
 I once went out on the to the plain fields to test poodles. It was a
dusty afternoon and grounds were dirty, I tripped over a spinal
column. To the poodle running the maze, it made no difference whether
the scientists uses mac or pc, or if the analysis continued along some
ancient eastern neuro-psychology or if western path through colonial
archeology.  The left/right turns in the maze correspond to left/right
neuro-tracings.  They were anxious subjects, cloned to be, and
surgical slicings revealed the structure of the maze mirrored in the
mind.  That maze of new ideas traces philosophical pathways in my own
jello brain, in the same way, whether its left/right or east/west only
a poodle would know.
 dcb
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