File deleuze-guattari/deleuze-guattari.0810, message 38


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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:30:15 +0200
Subject: Re: [D-G] Close reading : Bergson's conception of difference [1


Dear -m and Filip,

Atoms have different atom weight, which is the same as the atom mass
which is the nucleon number, the sum of protons and neutrons.
These consist out of more elementary particle and are
"bounded" energy, a  resulting sum  of internal energetic differences.

So, different chemical elements, I mean the one of the periodic element
table,
like hydrogen, uran and einsteinium, differ in degrees of energy,
in numbers of nucleons.


Most nuclear numbers have a stable isotope ( a combination of neurons and
protons),
which is stable in time, only radioactive decay takes place.
This being stable makes them m an individual.
You have to destroy the nucleus to destroy the atom.
By splitting of by fusion.

There are lots of interactions and things are handled by the "standard
model" with
 differential geometric gauge invariant principal bundles there.
These are continuous.

If two atoms do not differ in nucleus number, the chemical and mechanical
properties do not change.
They differ phenomenological in extension.



So, by this difference of the same, a nucleon more or less is
an addition or subtraction of a thing of the "same kind",
we have a gradation, the nucleus number as sum as degree.
We can go finer and finer and come to fine energy difference with
Particle Colliders.
But lower energy differences gives a difference of nature, of real distinct
elementary chemical substances.

But a numerical difference, that is a degree, gives a different quality, a
different basic chemical element,
with different electrical, mechanical, magnetically, and chemical
properties.

You cannot turn everything in the element gold.

The example of the biological cell, one "back world" more near to us,
maybe left to the reader.



greetings Harald Wenk
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Filip wrote:

>1)so atoms have a difference of degree if you consider there atomic weight
?
>the difference of nature lies in the fact that when used in a reaction
>the elements have different effects ?

I am not clear on how two actual beings (such as two individual atoms, or
two
bacteria) can ever be said to differ only in degree.  Is it possible?
I can see
how, if I am playing a radio station at the same time on two
different  radios, at
different loudnesses, the two "playings" can be said to differ only in
degree
(of loudness).  But even if the two "playings" (of the same music, say)
happen
at different times, there already, it seems to me, is a difference between
them in something other than just degree - though I don't know if this
"other" is what would be called "in nature".  But in any case, if
we are dealing with two different atoms of two
different substances, wouldn't that which makes one be an atom of one
substance and the other an atom of another substance be a matter of
_internal_
difference - a difference in the internal structures of the atoms -
and therefore definitely a difference _in nature_?

And what if the atoms are of the same substance?  They are still two
different
individuals.   Of what type is then their difference?


-m


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