Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:35:32 +0200 From: filip <fildh-AT-gmx.net> To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [D-G] Close reading : Bergson's conception of difference Hello hwenk and m sorry not to reply, but i had to work 15h a day, so no time to reply to all the nice stuff. i'm still gonna read this, i'll try to post every weekend a few paragraphs, (until 1 dec i have to work a lot, after that date i will get all my attention to the article). the article is in the book desert island. i have posted the link on the first post. i need to go, my boss is on the phone again greetz filip hwenk schreef: > Dear Filip and -m, > > > Filip, I don't have the article of Deleuze on Bergson present, only his book > on Bergson. > Do you want to read it longer, then I seek for a copy. > > I like to emphasize, that elementary particle physics > has a static model of matter. > > The interesting thing maybe > 1) That the strong and weak interaction forces > act only on very short distances, they are no fields, > which go to infinity. > These forces are handled by QuantumChormoDynamiocs. > The actual given Nobel Prize is for the enlargement > theory of Higgs Boson, a field made responsible for > the masses of the matter in the nucleon of the atom. > > This irregularity, gravity and especially electromagnetism undoubtly > continuous fields, destroys the direct approach to go through differences > of field back into the nucleon to get the differences of the atoms, > especially the essential or difference of nature between different > chemical element atoms, substances. > Therefore, the atoms build a strata and we have no straightforward > from micro (her more nano) to macro by adding simply infinite different > fields. > > A degree is a degree of a quality already, > an intensity of a quality, possible to express in quantitative numbers. > > This all is the famous "Quantity-Quality" > issue, well known from Hegel's first part of logic. > There is the famous jump from quantity to quality. > Here, the strata model and the greater knowledge of the > Nano world and electromagnetic fields has made the ontological > categorical progress possible. > > > In my eyes Deleuze is very very abstract concerning ontological > categories. > Therefore it is indispensable to go through various, no to simple > examples in order to make oneself clear the scope and the depth of the > ontological categories. > > > Like Nietzsche said "Slippery ice, a paradise for he who can dance"! > But if you are not so experienced with slippery ice..... > > > greetings Harald Wenk > > -----Original Message----- > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of > malgosia askanas > Sent: Montag, 13. Oktober 2008 20:22 > To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org > Subject: Re: [D-G] Close reading : Bergson's conception of difference [1 > paragraph] > > > Filip wrote: > > >> 1)so atoms have a difference of degree if you consider there atomic weight >> > ? > >> the difference of nature lies in the fact that when used in a reaction >> the elements have different effects ? >> > > I am not clear on how two actual beings (such as two individual atoms, or > two > bacteria) can ever be said to differ only in degree. Is it possible? > I can see > how, if I am playing a radio station at the same time on two > different radios, at > different loudnesses, the two "playings" can be said to differ only in > degree > (of loudness). But even if the two "playings" (of the same music, say) > happen > at different times, there already, it seems to me, is a difference between > them in something other than just degree - though I don't know if this > "other" is what would be called "in nature". But in any case, if > we are dealing with two different atoms of two > different substances, wouldn't that which makes one be an atom of one > substance and the other an atom of another substance be a matter of > _internal_ > difference - a difference in the internal structures of the atoms - > and therefore definitely a difference _in nature_? > > And what if the atoms are of the same substance? They are still two > different > individuals. Of what type is then their difference? > > > -m > > > _______________________________________________ > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org > Archives: www.driftline.org > > _______________________________________________ > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org > Archives: www.driftline.org > > _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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