Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:35:32 +0200
From: filip <fildh-AT-gmx.net>
To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] Close reading : Bergson's conception of difference


Hello hwenk and m

sorry not to reply, but i had to work 15h a day,
so no time to reply to all the nice stuff.

i'm still gonna read this, i'll try to post every weekend a few paragraphs,
(until 1 dec i have to work a lot, after that date i will get all my 
attention to the article).

the article is in the book desert island.
i have posted the link on the first post.

i need to go, my boss is on the phone again
greetz filip


hwenk schreef:
> Dear Filip and -m,
>
>
> Filip, I don't have the article of Deleuze on Bergson present, only his book
> on Bergson.
> Do you want to read it longer, then I seek for a copy.
>
> I like to emphasize, that elementary particle physics
> has a static model of matter.
>
> The interesting thing maybe
> 1) That the strong and weak interaction forces
>      act only on very short distances, they are no fields,
>     which go to infinity.
>     These forces are handled by QuantumChormoDynamiocs.
>     The actual given Nobel Prize is for the enlargement
>     theory of Higgs Boson, a field made responsible for
>     the masses  of the matter in the nucleon of the atom.
>
>    This irregularity, gravity and especially electromagnetism undoubtly
>    continuous fields, destroys the direct approach to go through differences
>    of field back into the nucleon to get the differences of the atoms,
>     especially the essential or difference of nature between different
> chemical element atoms, substances.
>    Therefore, the atoms build a strata and we have no straightforward
>    from micro (her more nano) to macro by adding simply infinite different
> fields.
>
>    A degree is a degree of a quality already,
>    an intensity of a quality, possible to express in quantitative numbers.
>
>    This all is the famous  "Quantity-Quality"
>     issue,   well known from Hegel's first part of logic.
>    There is the famous jump from quantity to quality.
>     Here, the strata model and the greater knowledge of the
>     Nano world and electromagnetic fields has made the ontological
> categorical  progress possible.
>
>
>     In my eyes Deleuze is very very abstract concerning ontological
> categories.
>     Therefore it is indispensable to go through various, no to simple
>     examples in order  to make oneself clear the scope and the depth of the
> ontological categories.
>
>
>    Like Nietzsche said "Slippery ice, a paradise for he who can dance"!
>    But if you are not so experienced with slippery ice.....
>
>
> greetings Harald Wenk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> malgosia askanas
> Sent: Montag, 13. Oktober 2008 20:22
> To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [D-G] Close reading : Bergson's conception of difference [1
> paragraph]
>
>
> Filip wrote:
>
>   
>> 1)so atoms have a difference of degree if you consider there atomic weight
>>     
> ?
>   
>> the difference of nature lies in the fact that when used in a reaction
>> the elements have different effects ?
>>     
>
> I am not clear on how two actual beings (such as two individual atoms, or
> two
> bacteria) can ever be said to differ only in degree.  Is it possible?
> I can see
> how, if I am playing a radio station at the same time on two
> different  radios, at
> different loudnesses, the two "playings" can be said to differ only in
> degree
> (of loudness).  But even if the two "playings" (of the same music, say)
> happen
> at different times, there already, it seems to me, is a difference between
> them in something other than just degree - though I don't know if this
> "other" is what would be called "in nature".  But in any case, if
> we are dealing with two different atoms of two
> different substances, wouldn't that which makes one be an atom of one
> substance and the other an atom of another substance be a matter of
> _internal_
> difference - a difference in the internal structures of the atoms -
> and therefore definitely a difference _in nature_?
>
> And what if the atoms are of the same substance?  They are still two
> different
> individuals.   Of what type is then their difference?
>
>
> -m
>
>
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