From: "Harald Wenk" <hwenk-AT-web.de> To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:00:25 +0200 Subject: Re: [D-G] the BwO Hello Sylvie, I hope you have finished your work on D&G. Commenting the statemnt below\below on the BWO, we see the symbolsim , the pragmatics and the difference between "relative" and "absolute" deterritoalization. While yogic malas, the counterparts of rosarys, are for counting up to 108, normally breath takes, without using an inner voice counter, cathioc rosarys count own voice repetions. The kitty is a necessity for the relation to non-yogic economocal milieu has survived in christian church. So, for yogis these are relative and the play of molecular machines and building up is desiresis much more like tasting and feeling directly, the desire and its fulfillment are so close, that the original thesis of the Anti-Oldie, that desire has prima facie no lack and object comes to its existential, chemical, psychosomatic right. It is like drinkin wine in the brani itself without having any need to do so. It is the body of organ who does it, because it is "automatic", a copule of chemical consumptin machines from the blood by the nerve cells with perception and affections, i.e. pleasure feelings. The danger of totalisation is banned by the gynmnastic asanas, not so much by the fierce concentration not to tototalitze in ideas. You know, that a totalization as advaita, non-twoness, takes place on a philosophical level and the ability of concentration on one issue or object for a long time, building a plateau of concentrated thinking, is the aim and fruit of these BWO consumption machines. (dhyana, dharana). This gives something like "transcendetal meditation", as the process of concentration runs by these BWO machines, not by concentration, building up (narrative like) sense by another training of the attention, which is of coure trained in yoga too on earlier stges of excercices. There are stages, where even this object is dropped, giving direct desire/fullfillment - desire/fullment, in Anti-Oedipe teminology, voluptas and numen almost coincide in pur flux of desire/consumption. So, it is really the journey to within", see BWO, thousand plateaus on yoga, and the mentioned machines with "externals", rosray, kitty, are very secondary - therefore the very relative deterritolization on them. The outer appearance of this full BWO of the yogi are more a good smell, a good health, a strong physis, a good memory, very fine emontional machine/perception/affect building. Of course, the BWO itself is percepted and affected, but this something more for feeling. The stages between of feeling the very tiny syntheses different from another, the micro perception, goes to the perception of the neve acivtydirectly, whoich is synchronized by one rhythm and is thus building up a sensual plateau. Maybe you are not interested in these remarks, but there has been a question some time ago, "how it is to have a BWO". Here is an answer which may hit the question more than that earlier given.. I hope, you yourself are doing Yoga as well. There is a book of Amy Winehouse. A new tantra for the body. This seems to be very interesting concerning yoga and the BWO too. The full yogic BWO is, as Spinoza clairvoyanted at the end of he ethics: ".Everything wonderful is as difficut as seldom" -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sylvie Ruelle" <sylvie_ruelle-AT-sbcglobal.net> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:54 PM To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> Subject: Re: [D-G] the BwO > Hi Harold! > > Yes, it's me. > > Sylvie > > > On May 30, 2009, at 7:43 AM, Harald Wenk wrote: > >> Hello Sylvie, >> >> Very suprising and pleasing to meet you again in this >> list after that long time, >> especially without any >> introductin or explanation. >> >> Or are you for the first time in this list >> and are not identical with Sylvie Ruelle >> writing here some years ago, >> working scientfically on D&G? >> >> Looks like, you found an interpretation >> of the BWO, the last theme of our correspondence, >> related to yoga. >> >> Reads very differenticiated, to send some Deleuzian terminology flowers. >> >> >> >> >> Greetings Harald Wenk >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Sylvie Ruelle" <sylvie_ruelle-AT-sbcglobal.net> >> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:24 PM >> To: <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.driftline.org> >> Subject: Re: [D-G] the BwO >> >>> Wow! Wonderful! >>> >>> On May 29, 2009, at 9:00 AM, ccorey-AT-frontiernet.net wrote: >>> >>>> A Post-Modern Critique of =B3Evil is Alive and Well=B9 >>>> >>>> =8Aif we define the BwO as the process of finding oneself, where >>>> everything is played out, the Indian is surly seeking it. As a mold he >>>> mobilizes a maximum of exterior forces in search of his treasured >>>> Esperanza. He is in a process, through Combustion, of escape or >>>> infinite division on the plane of consistency. He is transversed by >>>> machines in a non-organic regime. Like Beckett=B9s >>>> pebble-pocket-mouth-shoe-pipe he has his ring-statue-radio-kitty >>>> cat-rosary; he has these machines among other machines; machine parts >>>> boxed up almost in their own search for outlet; a plugging into the >>>> flow of desire; a loving and raging desire in periodic alteration at >>>> every moment. He is consistently up against a regime of totalization, >>>> collaboration, synergy, integration, inhibition, and disjunction. By >>>> assemblages he plugs into desire, effectively taking charge of his >>>> desires, assuring their continuous connections and transversal >>>> tie-ins. >>>> >>>> -c- >> _______________________________________________ >> List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org >> Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari- >> driftline.org >> Archives: www.driftline.org > > _______________________________________________ > List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org > Info: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org > Archives: www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: deleuze-guattari-AT-driftline.org Info: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/deleuze-guattari-driftline.org Archives: www.driftline.org
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