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Subject: Re: [Nietzsche] 'I Am,
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:06:01 -0700


How about, "I think, therefore it is."

Drew

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Armstrong" <s.armstrong-AT-utoronto.ca>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Nietzsche] 'I Am,Therefore I Think': Separating from the 
Symbolic Order


>I think that Descartes' cogito sum is precisely correct and the Buddha 
>point
> is to not be. The self is indeed embedded within culture; the not-self is
> not.
>
> I find "I am, therefore I think" a true, but misleading statement -
> Descartes gives us a logical entailment, Koenigsberg responds with a 
> causal
> connection.
>
> Steve Armstrong
> www.wegway.com
>
>
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> Orion Anderson
> Sent: September 21, 2005 12:05 PM
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> Subject: [Nietzsche] 'I Am,Therefore I Think': Separating from the 
> Symbolic
> Order
>
> Just Published:
>
> 'I AM, THEREFORE I THINK': SEPARATING FROM THE SYMBOLIC ORDER
> by Richard Koenigsberg
>
>
> Whereas many currents in contemporary thought emphasize the embeddedness 
> of
> the subject within culture, Buddhism focuses on that part of the self that
> is not bound to the symbolic order. Buddhism constitutes a method or
> practice for separating; detaching from culture. Buddhism embraces rather
> than shies away from the encounter with emptiness or non-being. Within the
> space of emptiness, language and the symbolic order dissolve, allowing one
> to return to silence-the essence of being.
>
> Buddhism compares the self to a vast, empty sky. Ideas and thoughts are 
> like
> clouds. Why cling to each passing cloud? From the space of the empty sky 
> one
> may observe ideas and beliefs that inhabit the self without declaring that
> these ideas and beliefs are the essence of self. From within the space of
> emptiness, one may examine the nature and structure of the ideas and 
> objects
> with which one had become identified. Buddhism represents a psychological
> method whose purpose is to facilitate disidentification with the symbolic
> order. Buddhism nurtures a place within the mind where ideologies and the
> discourses of society lose their power.
>
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>
> 'I AM, THEREFORE I THINK': SEPARATING FROM THE SYMBOLIC ORDER
>
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>
> 'I AM, THEREFORE I THINK': SEPARATING FROM THE SYMBOLIC ORDER
>
> According to Buddhism, the self comes into being, not by virtue of one's
> status as a "speaking being," but to the extent that one pays close
> attention to one's posture and breathing. One focuses on the immediate
> moment-one's thoughts and feelings as they occur in the immediate 
> moment-and
> gradually becomes aware of one's existence. Self derives from mindfulness.
> French philosophers with their emphasis upon language and symbolic 
> processes
> descend from Descartes who declared, "I think, therefore I am." Far 
> greater
> numbers of people in the civilized world believe it is more accurate to
> state, "I am, therefore I think."
>
> To analyze ideologies of destruction and self-destruction, it is necessary
> to become capable of dis-identifying with them; of experiencing them as
> separate from the self. It is not productive to "fight" an ideology. In
> waging war against an ideology, one becomes part of it. War against the
> ideology becomes a struggle against part of the self.
>
> It is necessary to distance oneself from "good" ideologies (those that one
> believes in) as well as from "evil" ideologies. Just because everyone else
> in society attaches to an ideology doesn't mean one has to do so oneself.
> Just because everyone believes that something is true, this doesn't mean 
> it
> is true. Just because everyone believes that there is no truth this 
> doesn't
> mean that truth doesn't exist. Before Galileo, most people believed that 
> the
> sun revolved around the earth.
>
>
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