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From: "Tina Farmilo" <cfar-AT-gulfislands.com>
To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:51:26 -0800
Subject: [Puptcrit] Thanks - & summary of responses re technical question


Thanks to everyone who answered my query last week. 

"...was wondering if anyone with giant puppet making experience could suggest ways to make our new Summer Queen more effective. She's wearing silky robes which show a little cleavage. I want her bosom to move realistically under the dress when she's animated. " 

Received a lot of thoughtful responses - assembled as follows, in the interests of sharing the wealth.

By the way, the Summer Queen and her consort the Winter King, are being created for this year's 7th Annual Lanternfest, a New Year's festival December 31st on Pender Island, BC. Check out the festival at: http://www.pendercreatives.com/threeonthetree

Cheers,
TF


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The only thought I had was to create the bosom out of foam sheeting with 
minimal structure supporting...this would allow them to sway in a manner 
that somewhat looks more natural....for a horizontal sway use a foam bracing 
running vertical....?
The Rolling Stones used an inflatable puppet of a rather voluptuous young 
lady and I believe they under inflated the breasts to a degree to allow for 
some movement in that area.....that may be quiet a viable option? ........I'm 
not going there........
I thought of latex sheeting suspended across the cleavage, between two or 
three frames. The skin would flex with movement giving a sense of flesh?
Sorry...never been asked to do that one so I can only offer a few ideas that 
may trigger a solution

Daniel

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We have had excellent results using Spring Steel boning coated
with Buckram.  We rivet pieces together using Jean rivets.
Gives a natural flesh bounce/sway so long as you don't over
cage it and then you cover with 1/4 in sheet foam and your
choice for finishing fabric.

We have a 12 foot whale that only weighs in just under 20
pounds.  and he's a real Goliath.

Best,

Liz
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Ok.  Giving this a little thought.
Disclaimer: I have not ever built what I am describing below, it is just my 
thoughts on the matter.

 The first thing that comes to mind is using a spring.  For the fact that a 
spring will return to its natural rest position+coil strength +length+ the 
effect of gravity.  Meaning, that if you have a spring that the coil is 
wound tightly, the effect from gravity and motion will be less than one with 
a less wound coil. So, how would I test this? Go to the hardware store, grab 
a spring and hold it horizontal and move it in a "natural way" and repeat 
until you get the desired movement you where looking for.  You can effect 
the movement of the spring by adding weight to the end of the spring as 
well.  Not sure, how to wrap it.  Maybe carve some breast shapes out of foam 
blocks, play with hollowing the insides a bit,(you want the foam material to 
simulate fat not muscle. So getting the right density in the foam is key to 
getting to react as naturally as possible.) and then attached them to a foam 
skin in the rib cage of the puppet.  If this works out well, you should be 
able to put a bra on them and they should some what normally to the 
influence.

Cheers,

William

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Well, I'll throw this out...what about lightweight
knit fabric  bags stuffed to desired firmness with
shredded foam.?    C Spencer

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Get on a sewing machine, sew up a pair the size you wish and fill  with tiny 
pieces
 of foam packing peanuts or fibrefill, before you fill, drop a ball  bearing 
in each centered
 may tape down, then fill them, it will be as normal as possible for  the 
conditions.
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bird seed is used for bosoms in theatre...
you might be able to use styrofoam pellets used in bean bag 
chairs...plus a bit of weight...

Bill
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I've had good luck with creating the shape wanted with hollow core foam
tubing that I insert wire into and then bend to create the shape I want.
Make a cage of that for the outline, covered with a thin layer of foam to
cover the "spines" so they don't show through your fabric.  Attach the
breasts to the rest of the structure only at the top so they have the
freedom to move in an organic way. Then add some weight inside (the
aforementioned styro pellets work well) to give it enough weight for the
desired "bounce"

My experience is that, in the scale you're looking for, a bosom completely
full of the pellets would prove too heavy both to carry and to get the
desired "natural" effect.

Birdseed, by the way, will have the dreaded "vermin picnic" effect in
storage.

I don't have a copy of it at my fingers, but I wonder if Sara Peattie &
Company have some solutions for this in her"68 Ways to Make Giant Puppets"
(which is available through the web).

<http://www.gis.net/~puppetco/>

Anyone who makes large puppets should have this link as a resource.  Sara &
the Puppeteers Cooperative are also the ones who run the "puppet lending
libraries" in Boston (the original) and now NYC.

Karen


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Just as Liz did, I was going to suggest spring steel boning which although I
haven't used it in giant puppets would work really well. Another options
would be air-filled balloons which would certainly be light enough.

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Not sure about the softness, but you can take FOSSHAPE (www.dazian.com) and 
sew it into the desired shape (turn the sewn FOSSHAPE breast configuration 
inside out to hide the seams) then stuff with polyester fibre fill that you 
can get at Wal-Mart etc.

Take a heat gun and or costume steamer to heat the outside (the FS will 
shrink in until its feels the resistance of the fibre fill) of the FOSSHAPE 
to form/shape into the finished form.  You can remove the fibre fill and are 
left with a lightweight, breathable structure that will take most any paint 
type.
The Thermoman of Dazian
Brian Jeffrey

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