File puptcrit/puptcrit.0602, message 261


Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:41:58 -0500
To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>, <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,


I haven't had time to follow this conversation, but since it seems to have once again followed links between puppet theater and the central political and social questions of our time, I thought I would mention that I wrote an essay about Islam and performance (especially puppet theater) for the most recent issue of TDR, the journal of performance: "Islamic Performance and the Problem of Drama," TDR: The Drama Review - Volume 49, Number 4 (T 188), Winter 2005, pp. 5-10.  If anyone wants to read it, I'd be happy to email it to them...
 
john bell
great small works 


	-----Original Message----- 
	From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org on behalf of Daniel McGuire 
	Sent: Sun 2/26/2006 10:51 AM 
	To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not genetic theory- Puppets
	
	

	Mary,
	
	Of course politics and puppetry are relevant to this list. But ad
	hominim attacks on "Moslems", with Arafat's corruption used as exhibit
	"A", are not relevant - or at least I couldn't follow Robert's train of
	thought. Robert's blanket statement, that Moslems "tolerate terrorists
	who blow up innocent people" is as accurate as the statement
	"Christians tolerate terrorists who blow up medical clinics and murder
	doctors who perform abortions".  (after all, I didn't see the
	evangelicals take to the street and protest those acts of terrorism).
	Timothy McVeigh considered himself to be an evangelical, born-again
	Christian reconstructionist. I never heard a peep from the evangelical
	movement denouncing McVeigh's brand of Christianity. Does that mean
	Christians " tolerate terrorists
	who blow up innocent people." ? Only if I followed Robert's contorted
	freeper logic could I arrive at that conclusion.
	
	The furor over the Danish cartoons has become a rallying point for
	Moslems who have a very long list of grievances, Robert. Among those
	grievances are dictatorial theocratic, and corrupt regimes throughout
	the middle east that are supported by the United States, invading
	oil-rich Moslem countries on the basis of false intelligence, massacres
	of Moslems in Hebron and Bosnia and many other places, by Christians;
	torture and murder of Moslems in places like Guantanamo, etc... need I
	go on?
	
	The current furor in America over ownership of ports by a Moslem
	country is a similar tempest in a teapot - it does not really represent
	a threat to American security, except that it becomes a rallying point
	for cynical politicians, as well as people with genuine concerns about
	issues such as foreign ownership of strategic assets, national
	security, outsourcing of American jobs, Corruption and cronyism in the
	Bush administration, etc...
	
	Getting back to the original issue, Paul Zaloom did a wonderful piece
	called "My Civilization" in which he expounds on Evolution in his own
	inimitable style. Puppeteers interested in confronting the creationists
	might want to take a look. I'll try to put it up on "youtube".
	
	Cheers,
	DMCG
	
	
	On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Mary Horsley wrote:
	
	> Oh, but Daniel, it is relevant to puppetry as we have discussed before.
	> Even one of those funny cartoons that Steve sent was a political one
	> with
	> Syria as the puppeteer of a marionette on fire. Puppetry is used in
	> politics so naturally puppeteers have real opinions on the subject.
	>
	> Mary
	>
	> "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
	> -Walter Bagehot
	>
	> "One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it is expressed in
	> the
	> choices one makes. In the long run, we shape our lives and we shape
	> ourselves. The process never ends until we die. And, the choices we
	> make
	> are ultimately our own responsibility."-----Eleanor Roosevelt
	>
	> "Somebody should tell us, right at the start of our lives, that we are
	> dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every
	> day. Do
	> it! I say. Whatever you want to do, do it now! There are only so many
	> tomorrows.
	>
	> -Michael Landon
	>
	> www.gentleteaching.com
	>
	> We can't become what we need to be by remaining what we are.
	>
	> --Oprah Winfrey
	>
	>
	>
	>
	>
	>> [Original Message]
	>> From: Daniel McGuire <dandmcguire-AT-mac.com>
	>> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
	>> Date: 2/26/2006 8:48:21 AM
	>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not
	> genetic theory- Puppets
	>>
	>>> But explain to me how
	>>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer?
	>>
	>> Explain to me how this is relevant to the question of the Danish
	>> cartoons? And then explain how the Danish cartoons are relevant to the
	>> discussion of puppetry?
	>>
	>> Then I'll explain why the number of people in poverty in America has
	>> risen every year since Clinton left office, while the price of
	>> Halliburton stock has gone through the roof.
	>>
	>> I'll explain it to you off-list, since it isn't relevant to puppetry.
	>>
	>> Cheers,
	>> DMCG
	>>
	>> On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Robert Rogers wrote:
	>>
	>>>> Roger, A wise man closes his mouth and keeps his audience guessing,
	>>>> a
	>>>> fool
	>>>> opens it and leaves no doubt.
	>>>
	>>> First of all, my name is Robert.  Secondly, your calling me a fool is
	>>> unwarranted.
	>>>
	>>>> Maybe you need to actually explore the FACTS first before sharing
	>>>> your
	>>>> misinformed opinions beyond the cocoon of ignorance in the US of A.
	>>>
	>>> Maybe I have explored the facts.  You don't know who I am or what I
	>>> know.
	>>> Frankly, I'd rather exchange views on puppetry.  But explain to me
	>>> how
	>>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer?
	>>>
	>>> Robert Rogers
	>>>
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